North Sea storm spares England and the Netherlands

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 9. marraskuuta 2007 klo 13:35 (GMT)

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A massive fall storm over Europe's North Sea generated winds near hurricane force last night that pushed a dangerous storm surge near 1.5 meters (4.65 feet) in height to the southeastern English coast this morning. The storm surge was much lower than originally feared, due in part to the fact it did not hit at high tide. The surge did breach sea defenses and caused some minor coastal flooding in England. It was feared that the storm might rival the great North Sea Flood of 1953 that breached the dikes in the Netherlands. Over 2,000 people died in northern Europe in that storm, mostly in the Netherlands. While today's storm did not approach the 1953 storm in severity, it did bring the highest storm surge seen in the past 20 years to the North Sea. The massive flood gates that protect the Dutch port of Rotterdam were closed for the first time since they were constructed in the 1990s. From early media accounts, the gates did their job admirably, protecting the Netherlands from inundation. Water levels reached 3.16 meters above mean sea level in the southern Netherlands, and 3.40 meters above sea level in the northern Netherlands, with no flooding reported. The floods of 1953 saw Dutch waters rise to 3.85 meters (12.6 ft) above sea level. Today's storm was not the remains of Hurricane Noel, which is currently over northern Canada.


Figure 1. Visible satellite image of Europe from 1322 GMT November 8, 2007. A powerful 975 mb low pressure system centered north of England ("L" on the image) was pushing a strong cold front southwards towards Western Europe. Image credit: University of Bern, Switzerland.


Figure 2. Forecast waves heights at 6am Greenwich time, Friday November 9, 2007, as predicted by NOAA's Wavewatch III model.

Tropical update
An area of disturbed weather over the extreme southern Caribbean, near Panama, is under about 20 knots of wind shear. The computer forecast models are predicting that some development of this region may occur by Sunday, when wind shear is expected to fall below 20 knots. However, the models are less keen on this prospect than yesterday. Any system that might form is expected to move westward and affect Costa Rica and Nicaragua.

I'll have an update Monday morning, unless there's some new development this weekend.

Jeff Masters

Gales at the Butt (kevindonner)
Storm force winds made taking a good picture difficult, as the lence of the camara got salt on it.
Gales at the Butt

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921. Ivansrvivr
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 15:37 (GMT)
Not hung over, just crabby.
920. Floodman
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 15:35 (GMT)
I can see him passed out on the floor. He'll still be there by the time I catch this lizard and eat him.


Well, don't wake him...he'll only be crabby and hung over...
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919. Ivansrvivr
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 15:33 (GMT)
Mo, you're supposed to keep an eye on him...

I can see him passed out on the floor. He'll still be there by the time I catch this lizard and eat him.
918. NEwxguy
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 15:28 (GMT)
912. Ivansrvivr 3:00 PM GMT on November 12, 2007
I love snow!!! Bring it on. Send enough to make it stick though or its just a tease.

Well,will have to wait till this weekend and see if we get any.
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917. moonlightcowboy
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 15:18 (GMT)
Something cool that Xerox is doing for the TROOPS!

If you go to this web site, www.LetsSayThanks.com you can pick out a thank you card and Xerox will print it and it will be sent to a soldier that is currently serving in Iraq. You can't pick out who gets it, but it will go to some member of the armed services.

How AMAZING it would be if we could get everyone we know to send one!!!

This is a great site.

Please send a card. It is FREE and it only takes a second.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if the soldiers received a bunch of these? Whether you are for or against the war, our guys and gals over there need to know we are behind them ...
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916. Floodman
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 15:13 (GMT)
Yep, Pat...that was some bucket!
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915. Floodman
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 15:11 (GMT)
904. Ivansrvivr 8:54 AM CST on November 12, 2007
"Its a holiday,I guess everyone sleeping late."

Ivan is still passed out


Mo, you're supposed to keep an eye on him...
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914. Ivansrvivr
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 15:01 (GMT)
Gotta go chase a lizard...BBL!!!
913. Patrap
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 15:00 (GMT)
Twas quite a full bucket from our view.
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912. Ivansrvivr
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 15:00 (GMT)
I love snow!!! Bring it on. Send enough to make it stick though or its just a tease.
911. Ivansrvivr
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 14:59 (GMT)
They often are in that part of the world. Katrina was a drop in the bucket compared w/ the flooding tropical systems cause over there.
910. NEwxguy
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 14:58 (GMT)
909. Ivansrvivr 2:57 PM GMT on November 12, 2007
NEwxGuy could you send us floridians some rain??

How about some snow
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909. Ivansrvivr
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 14:57 (GMT)
NEwxGuy could you send us floridians some rain??
908. weatherboyfsu
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 14:57 (GMT)
It has potential to be nasty..........
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907. Ivansrvivr
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 14:56 (GMT)
That Cyclone will be a bigtime flood event/
906. NEwxguy
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 14:56 (GMT)
shadow,is going to get interesting this weekend. There will be a coastal storm,but no agreement on strength and position.What worries me is there might be blocking setting up,which would slow things down.
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905. weatherboyfsu
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 14:55 (GMT)
Notice that "SIDR" is winking at us!


I wonder if its a he or she?
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904. Ivansrvivr
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 14:54 (GMT)
"Its a holiday,I guess everyone sleeping late."

Ivan is still passed out.
903. weatherboyfsu
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 14:54 (GMT)
Good morning,

Nothing going on in our boring part of the world but thats not true for other parts of the world. The Bay of Bengal is cranking up........


The cyclonic storm “SIDR” over southeast Bay of Bengal remained practically stationary and lay centred at 1430 hours IST of to day the 12 November, 2007 over southeast Bay of Bengal near Lat. 11.0 Deg N and Long. 90.5 Deg E, about 250 Kms west-SOUTHWEST of Port Blair. The system is likely to intensify further and move in a northwesterly direction initially.


Under its influence, rain/thundershowers at most places with heavy to very heavy falls at a few places and isolated extremely heavy falls ( 25 cm or more ) are likely over Andaman and Nicobar Islands during next 24 hours.


Gale winds speed reaching 70-80 kmph are likely over Andaman and Nicobar Islands and adjoining sea areas during next 48 hours. Sea condition is high to very high around the system centre. Fishermen are advised not to venture into the sea during next 48 hours.




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902. LakeShadow
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 14:52 (GMT)
Happy Veteran's Day to all that served our country and Thanks.
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901. NEwxguy
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 14:51 (GMT)
897. Floodman 2:45 PM GMT on November 12, 2007
Wow, slow as can be in here...any one to home?

Its a holiday,I guess everyone sleeping late.

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900. Ivansrvivr
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 14:49 (GMT)
The northern half of the country will take it on the chin this winter thanks to La Nina.
899. LakeShadow
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 14:48 (GMT)
hey folks. just looking at the situations here...something not so nice over the Ohio valley, coming my way. Another not-so-nice looking storm has come onshore on the NW coast...looks like the weathers gonna get hairy for the NE here for a few days. any thoughts?
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898. Ivansrvivr
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 14:47 (GMT)
It's not slow flood, you're just too fast for us!
897. Floodman
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 14:45 (GMT)
Wow, slow as can be in here...any one to home?
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895. NEwxguy
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 13:44 (GMT)
Thanks Storm,looking toward next weekend up here,could be interesting.
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893. NEwxguy
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 13:32 (GMT)
Good morning
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892. TheCaneWhisperer
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 12:54 (GMT)
Good old 93 or 93 1/2, according to Cimms, will go west without question. High pressure covers the GOM at different locations throughout the steering layers. It would have to get below 940mb to even think about coming north, enter shear, adios amigo. Time to think about Turkey's and how we're going to pay for all the Christmas presents.
891. TheCaneWhisperer
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 12:50 (GMT)
Morning All!

THIS is why I hate La Nina's living in Florida.
889. Muffelchen
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 11:16 (GMT)
886: AVN floater loop shows the secondary blob and does appear to have some rotation.

Let's see what daylight brings.I know it is not scientific but I have a feeling about this one....
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888. moonlightcowboy
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 10:27 (GMT)
Latest TWO

Showers and thunderstorms over portions of the southwestern
Caribbean Sea and Central America are associated with a broad area
of low pressure near the East Coast of southern Nicaragua. Due to
its proximity to land...significant development of this system is
not expected as it moves slowly westward...but locally heavy
rainfall is possible over portions of Nicaragua...Honduras...and
Costa Rica during the next couple of days.
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887. moonlightcowboy
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 10:22 (GMT)
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886. moonlightcowboy
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 09:59 (GMT)
AVN floater loop shows the secondary blob and does appear to have some rotation.
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885. Muffelchen
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 09:52 (GMT)
883: looks like we might get a 94L also in the caribiean soon

Presumably this is the HUGE blob of convection just to the NNE of 93L?

Looks impresssive. Is it spinning?

Is it likely to be inhibited by outflow from 93L or will that die now that it is over land allowing this blob to become an invest?

It does pear to have a clear water track in front of it should it get organised.
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883. 7544
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 07:21 (GMT)
looks like we might get a 94L also in the caribiean soon
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882. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 07:13 (GMT)
Joint Typhoon Warning Center

Tropical Disturbance Summary (0600z 12Nov)
==========================================
An area of convection (96P) persisted near 6.7S 152.1E or 340 NM east-northeast of Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea. Animated enhanced infrared satellite imagery depicts a broad area of organizing deep convection. Quikscat image shows a better defined low level circulation center.

Upper level analysis shows the system lies beneath an upper level anticyclone which is greatly enhancing convection. Vertical wind shear remains low and divergence aloft is favorable over the developing LLCC.

Maximum sustained winds near the center is 20-25 knots with a minimum sea level pressure of 1003. Due to the favorable upper level environment an the improving LLCC, the potential of this disturbance to form into a significant tropical cyclone within the next 24 hours is upgraded to FAIR
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881. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 06:43 (GMT)
CYCLONIC STORM SIDR (BOB 09/2007)
10.5N 91.0E - 40 knots (3 min sustained winds) 1002 hPa

Tropical Cyclone Bulletin #5
========================
The deep depression over southeast Bay of Bengal and adjoining Andaman Sea moved slighly west and intensified into a cyclonic storm. The cyclone was named "Sidr" and lays centered as of 3:00am UTC at 10.5N 91.0E or 220 kms southwest of Port Blair. The system is also likely to intensify further and move in a northwest direction.

Under its influence, rain/thundershowers at most places with heavy to very heavy falls at a few places and isolated extremely heavy falls ( 25 cm or more ) are likely over Andaman and Nicobar Islands during next 24 hours.

Squally winds speed reaching 70 km/h with gusts up to 80 km/h are likely over Andaman and Nicobar Islands and adjoining sea areas during next 48 hours.

Sea condition is high to very high around the system centre. Fishermen are advised not to venture into the sea during the next 48 hours.

Current intensity T2.5, Maximum sustained surface winds speed 35-45 knots. Satellite imageries show intense to very intense convection associated with the system. Estimated Central Pressure is 1002 hPa.

The system is likely to intensify further and move slowly in a northwesterly direction. 24 hours forecast is T3.5

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I wonder why the IMD pressure for this system is so high compared to the JTWC near 980 mb pressure.
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880. flaboyinga
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 06:43 (GMT)
A good night to all and a better tomorrow.
879. Orcasystems
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 06:18 (GMT)
Well I am off for the night.. hopefully no trees will fall into my Koi pond tonight
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878. Orcasystems
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 06:14 (GMT)
You should try and spell some of the west coast native names. Its bad enough that half of the places around here were named after spanish explorers, then throw in the native names.. makes for fun reading
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877. flaboyinga
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 06:11 (GMT)
Micmac is probably an Indian word meaning don't spell this incorrectly.(and I did)
876. flaboyinga
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 06:09 (GMT)
Thanks for the link. That's the one.
875. Orcasystems
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 06:07 (GMT)
Nice balmy 50 degress

That being said.. severe weather warning out right now
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874. flaboyinga
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 06:06 (GMT)
What is the temperature where you are tonight?
873. Orcasystems
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 06:05 (GMT)
Here is a link for you... HMCS Micmac Tribal Class destroyer
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872. Orcasystems
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 06:04 (GMT)
I have definately heard about it... whoever hasn't needs to stay awake in school
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871. flaboyinga
12. marraskuuta 2007 klo 06:02 (GMT)
Orca, you got me there. I am old. I was in the carribean for the cuban missile blockade and I can't get the kids I mention it to that it really happened. They never heard of it. I think HMCS Mickmack might have been down there around that time, too.

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