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Invest 96L: Not Looking So Good
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 6. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 23:40 (GMT) +1
Hi everybody, Dr. Rob Carver filling in for Jeff while he is on vacation.

Invest 96L is currently over the Yucatan peninsula and is not looking as impressive as it did over the holiday weekend. Right now, the cloud tops are warming, which indicate that the thunderstorms are weakening. This is likely due to 96L's being ashore right now. Looking into the future, 96L's doesn't show much promise of becoming a significant tropical cyclone. Nearly all of the model guidance has 96L moving in a northwesterly direction along the cool waters churned up in Alex's wake. It looks like 96L will miss the warm SST's at 25N, 87W. It's also expected to move from low shear to higher shear over the the Gulf of Mexico. The ocean offshort of the coastal bend of Texas (Corpus Christi to west of Houston) may allow 96L to intensify if it gets there. There is a small band of warm SST's at the continental shelf, and the wind shear is low (<10 knots).

Looking at the dynamical model output, the story is still murky. Looking at the broad picture, a broad area of 20+ mph winds will affect the Gulf coastline somewhere between Corpus Christi and southeast Louisiana. NAM favors SE Louisiana, while GEM and the parallel GFS favor the coast east of Corpus Christi. HWRF and NOGAPS have the wind affecting the coast west of Houston, while the operational GFS has the wind coming ashore east of Houston. NOGAPS and HWRF are also the only models that show surface winds that are tropical storm force.

I think that that the upper-level circulation and the surface circulation are not strongly coupled together in teh model simulations. This would explain the the discrepancies between the wind swaths I'm describing and the hurricane forecast aids. Those aids use an automatic process to identify the vortex center in the model data that may favor upper-level features for tracking instead of surface features.

To sum it all up, I believe that 96L has a <50 % chance becoming a tropical cyclone before it makes landfall. If it does so, it will likely be near the coast when that happens. In any event though, the winds and waves it generates will likely disrupt oil spill recovery efforts. Also, I would expect a broad area of showers and 20+ mph winds will affect the Gulf coast somewhere from south Texas to Louisiana.


Fig. 1 Plot of maximum winds (mph) over the next 5 days from the 12Z GFS. Parallel GFS wind swath.


Fig. 2 Plot of maximum winds (mph) over the next 5 days from the 12Z NOGAPS. Canadian Global wind swath.


Fig. 3 Plot of maximum winds (mph) over the next 5 days from the 12Z HWRF.


Fig. 4 Plot of maximum winds (mph) over the next 5 days from the 18Z NAM.

Next Update
Tweaks later tonight as necessary, possibly a late night entry describing the Northeast heat wave. Tropical update will be posted Wednesday afternoon.
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451. MechEngMet 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:46 (GMT)    
Tex Hurricane: Sorry, case of mistaken identity. A "regular" fixed me straight. Think nothing of it.
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452. Patrap 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:46 (GMT)    
I saw the TCHP degradation from ALEX and it goes well with the intensity Graph forecast as to Limiting the Intensity to a degree.

But the Available Joules is the Beta ..and thats what I follow




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453. kmanislander 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:47 (GMT)    
Quoting Tazmanian:
what did noaa find ???


Two of every kind of animal then the rains came.

Good evening folks. Looks like a place to visit quickly and then bid good night.

96L has caused so much consternation one must surely wish for its quick and final demise.

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454. whipster 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:47 (GMT)    
Quoting StormW:


Jimmy Hoffa? LOL!


ROFL!
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456. extreme236 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:47 (GMT)    
Quoting Tazmanian:
what did noaa find ???


They were only doing research.
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457. JLPR2 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:47 (GMT)    
Quoting taco2me61:

LOL

Now thats funny right there I don't care who you are.... LOL
Taco :o)


:O
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458. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:50 (GMT)    
Quoting StormW:


Jimmy Hoffa? LOL!
were they flying over lake ontario cause thats where hoffa is
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459. Patrap 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:50 (GMT)    
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460. Dirtleg 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:50 (GMT)    
Just look for the My little pony shower curtain
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461. Tazmanian 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:50 (GMT)    
Quoting extreme236:


They were only doing research.



but still what did they find did they find any thing good
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462. centex 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:50 (GMT)    
Quoting Levi32:


SSTs obviously still support development but look at the TCHP map and you can see the major void of total ocean heat content in the area which has not yet recovered. This is a limiting factor. Upwelling wakes from hurricanes as big and strong as Alex take a whole lot longer than this to come back to the heat levels they were at before the storm passed over.



Ok I didn't buy today’s video, while nice production missed today’s happenings. You concentrated on area NHC left day ago. You’re a great student and I'm sure taken time to study the science more than me, I have a day job and family to juggle. Just take this advice; years of experience can't be replaced by a few years of study. Keep it up. Just put a little more inexperienced notation in your comments. Some may think you've been doing this for decades.
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463. beell 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:51 (GMT)    
Quoting Tazmanian:
what did noaa find ???


Higher pressure to the north.
Some dy air around 700mb to the W.
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464. TexasHurricane 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:51 (GMT)    
Quoting MechEngMet:
Tex Hurricane: Sorry, case of mistaken identity. Taz fixed me straight. Think nothing of it.


No problem.... :)
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465. yeagermeister 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:51 (GMT)    
Hello,I am new here.Been watching and study for a time though.I love active weather,and this seems to to the start to wild season, Looks to me like 96L is developing a stronger more defined LLC and mybe a more northerly COC location.
466. louisianaweatherguy 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:51 (GMT)    
when is Dr Masters coming back??? dont care too much for the fill in guy... just my opinion
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467. fire831rescue 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:52 (GMT)    
Looking at the AVN loop of 96L, why does it appear to be moving almost due north instead of wnw?
468. jlp09550 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:52 (GMT)    
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469. blsealevel 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:52 (GMT)    
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470. kmanislander 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:52 (GMT)    
DR. fill in guy !
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471. Levi32 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:53 (GMT)    
Quoting centex:
Ok I didn't buy today's video, while nice production missed today's happenings. You concentrated on area NHC left day ago. You're a great student and I'm sure taken time to study the science more than me, I have a day job and family to juggle. Just take this advice; years of experience can't be replaced by a few years of study. Keep it up. Just put a little more inexperienced notation in your comments. Some may think you've been doing this for decades.


I concentrated on the entire disturbance as a whole. The area north of 96L's center in the central gulf is very much a part of this situation. If you remember, earlier today some of the "more experienced" bloggers were touting the demise of the Yucatan low and the take-over of the central gulf trough.

Is there something wrong with sounding like I know what I'm talking about? If I sometimes use a few terms that confuse people, all they need do is ask me and I will explain it in plainer language.
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473. Kristina40 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:53 (GMT)    
Quoting fire831rescue:
Looking at the AVN loop of 96L, why does it appear to be moving almost due north instead of wnw?


I believe it is running into a front, maybe Patrap can explain it better
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474. Kristina40 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:56 (GMT)    
A new Ocean is forming...pretty interesting stuff...


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_and_environment/10415877.stm
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475. pottery 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:56 (GMT)    
Hi, Kman...
Any word on the weird pressure- readings from that buoy the other night?
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476. kmanislander 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:57 (GMT)    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Yeah I don't like him too much. But either way, I'm just the teen, he's got the Ph.D.


Well cut him a little slack. Writing for this blog is as much an art as it is science.He is probably much better at one than the other but we all have our strengths and weaknesses.
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477. hunkerdown 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:58 (GMT)    
Quoting Tazmanian:



but still what did they find did they find any thing good
yeah, Lake Ontario is not ripe for hurricane development
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478. hunkerdown 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 02:59 (GMT)    
Quoting louisianaweatherguy:
when is Dr Masters coming back??? dont care too much for the fill in guy... just my opinion
that'll cost ya :)
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479. kmanislander 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 03:00 (GMT)    
Quoting pottery:
Hi, Kman...
Any word on the weird pressure- readings from that buoy the other night?


Yeah, funny thing is it was real !. The surface low took off to the NW leaving the mid level center behind for all and sundry to follow without knowing it. Talk about a head fake LOL.

A Carnival ship also reported the anomalously low pressure there around the same time. That old low is now halfway to the gulf coast while the NHC et al are tracking a "new" 96L center.
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480. blsealevel 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 03:00 (GMT)    
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481. centex 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 03:01 (GMT)    
I'm trying to help he is contridicting experienced PHD's. We should be nice but not ignore. A PHD admits when wrong, did I miss something?
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482. MiamiHurricanes09 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 03:01 (GMT)    
Quoting kmanislander:


Well cut him a little slack. Writing for this blog is as much an art as it is science.He is probably much better at one than the other but we all have our strengths and weaknesses.
Absolutely. He's much more intelligent than me so I have no right to criticize, just my opinion.
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483. CaicosRetiredSailor 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 03:02 (GMT)    
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1130 PM EDT TUE JUL 06 2010

SYNOPSIS FOR THE GULF OF MEXICO
.SYNOPSIS...A BROAD AREA OF LOW PRESSURE IS OVER THE NW YUCATAN
PENINSULA OF MEXICO NEAR MERIDA WITH A TROUGH EXTENDING N TO
NEAR 29N92W. BOTH...THE LOW PRES AND THE TROUGH ARE EXPECTED
TO MOVE IN TANDEM ACROSS THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE GULF REGION
WED AND THU...AND THEN ARE FORECAST TO MOVE INLAND...ACROSS
SOUTH TEXAS AND NE MEXICO LATE THU. THERE IS A MEDIUM CHANCE OF
THIS LOW PRES TO BECOME A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48
HOURS. HIGH PRES WILL BUILD FROM THE E ALONG 28N LATE THU
THROUGH SUN.


http://www.nhc.boulder.noaa.gov/mobile/MIAOFFN04.html
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484. Ossqss 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 03:03 (GMT)    
Gnite:)

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485. pottery 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 03:03 (GMT)    
Quoting kmanislander:


Yeah, funny thing is it was real !. The surface low took off to the NW leaving the mid level center behind for all and sundry to follow without knowing it. Talk about a head fake LOL.

A Carnival ship also reported the anomalously low pressure there around the same time. That old low is now halfway to the gulf coast while the NHC et al are tracking a "new" 96L center.

Incredible!
I was out of touch and missed that!
I dont recall seeing that kind of plunge from one small area before.
Great stuff.
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486. CosmicEvents 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 03:03 (GMT)    
Quoting Kristina40:
A new Ocean is forming...pretty interesting stuff...


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_and_environment/10415877.stm
And now for something completely different.....
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487. Kristina40 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 03:05 (GMT)    
I saw that ship reading pop up the other night. We discounted it as a faulty ship reading. Interesting account, thanks kman.
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488. kmanislander 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 03:06 (GMT)    
I hate it when these Invests just hang around. They don't become anything and they don't go away. All they do is cause strife on the blog.

Maybe tomorrow 96L will go quietly in the night, or the day as the case may be.
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489. Levi32 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 03:06 (GMT)    
Quoting kmanislander:


Yeah, funny thing is it was real !. The surface low took off to the NW leaving the mid level center behind for all and sundry to follow without knowing it. Talk about a head fake LOL.

A Carnival ship also reported the anomalously low pressure there around the same time. That old low is now halfway to the gulf coast while the NHC et al are tracking a "new" 96L center.


That just baffles me that the buoy could have been accurate. I was convinced it was a momentary instrument failure, as a 1004mb low should have been far better defined on satellite imagery than what we saw. Pretty incredible.
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490. southernstorm 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 03:07 (GMT)    
Dr. Carver does a fine job. I appreciate his time.
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491. RobbieLSU 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 03:07 (GMT)    
Good evening everyone. I just updated my blog with a little video of some of the fast-moving low level clouds we had today here in Slidell, Louisiana. It's always pretty cool when tropical systems move through how fast the low level clouds move.

Robbie's Tropical Blog
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492. pipelines 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 03:08 (GMT)    
While TCHP does play a role, I think we put too much importance to it. Overall structure, sheer, dry air (or lack of), and raw SSTs play a more important role than TCHP. I'll start looking at TCHP maps for a system when those other, more vital, characteristics are in-line for RI and even then an area of high TCHP only increases the chance of RI, it doesn't control it. We've all seen plenty of systems intensify to cat 4/5 status in areas of low TCHP. We've also seen tropical storms churn through areas of high TCHP and not take advantage of it.
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493. Levi32 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 03:08 (GMT)    
Quoting southernstorm:
Dr. Carver does a fine job. I appreciate his time.


I agree.
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494. MiamiHurricanes09 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 03:08 (GMT)    
Ok now I'm out. Night all!
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495. kmanislander 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 03:08 (GMT)    
Quoting Levi32:


That just baffles me that the buoy could have been accurate. I was convinced it was a momentary instrument failure, as a 1004mb low should have been far better defined on satellite imagery than what we saw. Pretty incredible.


Maybe a combination of the surface low with a micro burst but don't recall seeing anything too intense around that buoy at the time.
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496. MiamiHurricanes09 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 03:09 (GMT)    
Quoting southernstorm:
Dr. Carver does a fine job. I appreciate his time.
Don't get me wrong I really enjoy reading what he says, but I like Dr. Masters better. Just my opinion though.
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497. muddertracker 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 03:12 (GMT)    
Quoting kmanislander:
I hate it when these Invests just hang around. They don't become anything and they don't go away. All they do is cause strife on the blog.

Maybe tomorrow 96L will go quietly in the night, or the day as the case may be.
I hope so, too! Perhaps tomorrow the blog will feature civil discussion as opposed to frequent bickering :)
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499. centex 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 03:13 (GMT)    
I heard mention of wind shear or dry air problem. I challenge someone to post official graghic showing problem tomorrow around 21/92. I've not been able to find it. Are we serious about our forecast?
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500. muddertracker 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 03:14 (GMT)    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Ok now I'm out. Night all!
Night kiddo...j/k...rest up, tomorrow could get pretty wild on the blog. Oh, btw, nice job on your update. I don't always agree with you, but you do provide reasonable support for your conclusions..keep it up!
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501. BahaHurican 7. heinäkuuta 2010 klo 03:15 (GMT)    
G'nite all...

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