Felicia not weakening; new African wave may develop

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 8. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:12 (GMT)

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Hurricane Felicia has not weakened today, and continues to hold its own in spite of cool sea surface temperatures beneath it. Recent satellite imagery shows that the tops of thunderstorms surrounding the eye have cooled slightly, indicating that the updrafts sustaining the eyewall are maintaining their strength. The appearance of the hurricane has improved some today, with the storm assuming a more symmetric appearance.


Figure 1. Current satellite image of Hurricane Felicia.

Sea surface temperatures (SSTs) under Felicia have now fallen to 24.7°C, well below the 26°C threshold typically needed to sustain a hurricane. SSTs will slowly increase to 26°C by the time the storm reaches Hawaii, though. Wind shear is expected to remain low to moderate, 5 - 15 knots, through Monday morning. By Monday night, shear will rise to 20 knots, and remain above 20 knots thereafter. The higher shear combined with the relatively cool SSTs should mean that Felicia will be rapidly weakening in its final 24 hours before reaching Hawaii. Several of the computer models continue to show that this shear will be high enough to tear Felicia apart before it reaches Hawaii, though it appears to me that Felicia's current strength and annular structure will help it resist the shear enough to allow the storm to hit Hawaii as a tropical depression with 35 mph winds. Regardless, Felicia will bring heavy rain Hawaii beginning on Monday morning, and these rains will have the capability of causing flash floods and mudslides. The Hurricane Hunters are scheduled to make their first low-level investigation of Felicia this afternoon (around 10 am Hawaiian time). The NOAA jet also flies into Felicia today, and will drop a series of dropsondes that will be used to gather data that will be fed into today's 12Z and 00Z computer model runs.

Typhoon Morakot hits Taiwan
Typhoon Morakot hit Taiwan yesterday, battering the island with Category 1 winds and heavy rain. The Taipei airport recorded sustained winds of 56 mph, gusting to 76 mph, at the peak of the storm. Morakot killed 6 on Taiwan and 10 in the Philippines, and is headed towards a final landfall on mainland China as a tropical storm later today. Storm chaser James Reynolds intercepted the storm and posted videos on typhoonfury.com and Youtube. Morakot is still visible today on Taiwan radar.


Figure 2. Visible satellite image of a spinning tropical wave leaving the coast of Africa. The image was taken at 8am EDT 8/8/09.

African tropical wave may develop
A strong tropical wave with a moderate amount of spin is moving off the coast of Africa this morning. The wave is under about 10 - 20 knots of wind shear and has sea surface temperatures beneath it of 27°C. These conditions are probably too marginal to allow development over the next two days. As the wave moves westward away from Africa over the next few days, wind shear should slowly decrease and the SSTs will warm, potentially allowing for some slow development. The UKMET, GFS, and NOGAPS models all indicate the possibility that this will become a tropical depression 3 - 5 days from now. The ECMWF model forecasts that strong easterly winds over the wave will create too much shear to allow development. The wave is well south of the Saharan Air Layer, so dry air and African dust should not interfere over the next 3 - 5 days. I give the wave a medium (30 - 50% chance) of developing into a tropical depression in the next seven days.

I'll have an update on Sunday.

Jeff Masters

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2569. hurrizone
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 17:48 (GMT)
Finally,theres something to pay attention in the atlantic 2009 season.The only problem in that part of the world the system is forming,satellite photos come out every six hours and its difficult to view the changes...
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2568. hurrizone
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 17:40 (GMT)
Quoting hunkerdown:
The TWOs are 8, 2, 8, 2. Once it is formed, TD or better, updated are 5, 11, 5, 11. Intermediate updated would then be at 8, 2, 8, 2 ONLY if there are watchs or warnings posted.
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2567. mobilegirl81
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:34 (GMT)
Famous names developed where this one is and went on to become retired names because of what they did, not just the strength.
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2566. Orcasystems
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:30 (GMT)


No shear to speak of.
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2565. JRRP
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:29 (GMT)
really looks like TD
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2564. mobilegirl81
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:29 (GMT)
Bertha formed north of the CV islands. This one is south with a strong fluxuating bermuda high to its north and west.
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2563. CaneAddict
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:28 (GMT)
Before I go...I'm going to lean towards drakoen as far as recurving not happening. Over the next few days ridging of the dominate high out there will become quite stretched out and if im looking at models correctly there will be a bridging of the two highs..this would tend to not allow and recurvature. As much as we would love to see a fish storm...I don't think this season will see to much of those. BBL.
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2562. Drakoen
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:27 (GMT)
new blog
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2561. Dakster
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:27 (GMT)
Anyone else catch that if you have ATT for internet, we may be in for a rough time if problems occur. Workers are preparing to strike starting tonight.

Can you imagine, a storm forms and half of the blog, can't blog because they have no internet!

Looks like D's have it so far, but we shall see soon. 99L has the classic comma shape going.
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2559. nrtiwlnvragn
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:25 (GMT)
NEW BLOG
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2558. CybrTeddy
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:25 (GMT)
NEW BLOG!
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2557. VAbeachhurricanes
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:25 (GMT)
New Blog
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2556. cyclonekid
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:25 (GMT)
Quoting Dakster:
At the 2 TWO

A. Gone
B. Yellow
C. Orange
D. Red
E. TD
F. Red Alert

Based on what you all are saying I'll go with D. Red...

C or D


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2555. Stormchaser2007
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:24 (GMT)
Reminding me of Bertha a bit. Large system.

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2554. CaneAddict
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:24 (GMT)
Will have an update sometime later...bbl all. Have a good one.
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2553. Drakoen
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:23 (GMT)
I have the center's highest latitude near 13.5N
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2552. cchsweatherman
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:23 (GMT)
Going to have to agree with Drakoen right now with regards to this system more than likely not recurving out to sea. According to most computer models and the TPC thinking, we should start to see a pretty expansive ridge building across the Atlantic with the Azores and Bermuda Highs bridging together over the next 24 to 48 hours. This would prevent such recurvature as the GFS has been showing. It seems to me the GFS does this with nearly every system that comes off Africa at a higher altitude than 12N. In addition, the current steering pattern would favor a more westerly to slightly north of westerly motion over the next 24-48 hours. All this makes me favor this system not recurving out to sea, but I could always be wrong. Just giving my input.
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2551. hunkerdown
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:23 (GMT)
Quoting weatherwatcher12:

It's 8am, 2pm, 8pm, 2am and intermediate times are 5am, 11am, 5pm, 11pm
The TWOs are 8, 2, 8, 2. Once it is formed, TD or better, updated are 5, 11, 5, 11. Intermediate updated would then be at 8, 2, 8, 2 ONLY if there are watchs or warnings posted.
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2550. hurricanemaniac123
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:22 (GMT)
Quoting Dakster:
At the 2 TWO

A. Gone
B. Yellow
C. Orange
D. Red
E. TD
F. Red Alert

Based on what you all are saying I'll go with D. Red...


D
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2549. Chicklit
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:22 (GMT)

looks embryonic
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2547. truecajun
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:22 (GMT)


Link
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2546. BenBIogger
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:22 (GMT)
Didn't Ike form during a positive NAO?
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2545. weatherwatcher12
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:22 (GMT)
Quoting CybrTeddy:


You got it backwards son. :)

Lol, oops I was thinking about the TWO's
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2544. mobilegirl81
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:22 (GMT)
The fact that this thing is developing just south of the cv islands worries me because alot of famous nameed formed here and were retired by what they did.
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2542. Drakoen
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:21 (GMT)
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2541. Cotillion
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:21 (GMT)
Well, it's possible they could say something for the Cape Verde islands if it sticks around there.

Like in '06:

I repeat: 2006. (So don't get too excited.)

ZCZC MIATCPAT4 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM
BULLETIN
TROPICAL DEPRESSION FOUR INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 1A
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL042006
800 PM AST MON AUG 21 2006

...TROPICAL DEPRESSION MOVING A LITTLE FASTER TOWARD THE WEST OVER
THE FAR EASTERN ATLANTIC OCEAN...

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR THE CAPE VERDE ISLANDS. A
TROPICAL STORM WARNING MEANS THAT TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE
EXPECTED WITHIN THE WARNING AREA WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS.


So, they may do if they deem it necessary. (Which would cause an earlier update.)
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2540. CybrTeddy
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:20 (GMT)
Quoting weatherwatcher12:

It's 8am, 2pm, 8pm, 2am and intermediate times are 5am, 11am, 5pm, 11pm


You got it backwards son. :)
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2539. cg2916
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:20 (GMT)
Quoting sammywammybamy:
Extreme , Basicly i am Saying "Red" Today

Td Tonight or Tommorow ...

Being Conservative..

That's being liberal.
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2538. Stormchaser2007
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:20 (GMT)
Central convection continues to fire

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2537. taco2me61
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:20 (GMT)
Quoting Drakoen:


Dean, Ike. Bertha was suppose to recurve out to sea before even getting to 40W. It is simply too early to make that assumption.


I agree with you Drak that it is way to early to even knnow where this will go....

But I have to say ussally if a storm forms close to 12n then it does have a chace to hit S FL and even cross into the Gulf of Mexico.... But after saying that it is way to early to even say what it will do.... We have about 10 days to watch it and then have a better handle on this 1....

Taco :0)
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2536. CybrTeddy
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:20 (GMT)
waiting on the Dr's new blog.
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2535. hunkerdown
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:20 (GMT)
Quoting Orcasystems:
Mellow out already everyone.... the models have it going into the middle of no where... take a few Valium or maybe a Rum, and wait and see.


Or a valium and rum and come back when you wake up :)
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2534. truecajun
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:19 (GMT)


looks closed to me.
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2533. weatherwatcher12
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:19 (GMT)
Quoting extreme236:


They dont issue advisories 2am. 5 am/pm and 11 am/pm are the advisory times unless a special one is issued.

It's 8am, 2pm, 8pm, 2am and intermediate times are 5am, 11am, 5pm, 11pm
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2532. gordydunnot
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:19 (GMT)
I'd worry more about the shear ahead of this storm dosent look good in another 15 degrees west.
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2531. hurricane23
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:19 (GMT)
Quoting extreme236:
Ike is a good example. It had a rather high latitude and didn't recurve. It ended up in the gulf in fact.


What accoured with ike was very rare,to this day iam still not sure how it made it across at that latitude.
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2530. hurricanehanna
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:19 (GMT)
I'll wait and see what Storm says. Is he up yet?
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2529. CaneAddict
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:18 (GMT)
Good morning all....99L is kicking up some dirt I see. A tropical depression sometime later tonight or early tomorrow is certainly possible. In fact, I am positive by tomorrow no later than 2PM we will have a Tropical Depression or Tropical Storm on our hands...Unless suddenly conditions turn for the worse.
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2528. hunkerdown
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:18 (GMT)
Quoting mobilegirl81:
The models have done this to previous systems(Frances, Jean, Ivan);Driving them out to sea.
That is because weather conditions can change at the drop of a hat, for any reason. Tropical systems CAN be fickle and models aren't always perfect. The models are computers run and designed by humans, need any more be said. Individual runs ned to be taken with a grain, consistency is more what you want to see.
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2527. cg2916
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:18 (GMT)
Quoting Dakster:
At the 2 TWO

A. Gone
B. Yellow
C. Orange
D. Red
E. TD
F. Red Alert

Based on what you all are saying I'll go with D. Red...

C.
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2525. BenBIogger
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:17 (GMT)
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2524. Stormchaser2007
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:17 (GMT)
Quoting sammywammybamy:
Red at 2pm 5pm and 11pm ... Td At 2 am Tommorow..


Those arent the times of the TWOs. Those are from 2007 lol.

2009:
8am
2pm
8pm
2am

We may have red by 2pm.
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2523. Orcasystems
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:16 (GMT)
Mellow out already everyone.... the models have it going into the middle of no where... take a few Valium or maybe a Rum, and wait and see.


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2521. extreme236
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:16 (GMT)
Quoting sammywammybamy:
Red at 2pm 5pm and 11pm ... Td At 2 am Tommorow..


They dont issue advisories at 2am. 5 am/pm and 11 am/pm are the advisory times unless a special one is issued.
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2520. Stormchaser2007
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:16 (GMT)
Quoting sammywammybamy:


Rapid Intesification????

It Seems..


Rapid organization it seems.

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2519. Drakoen
9. elokuuta 2009 klo 15:16 (GMT)
The GFS is the only model that recurves this out to sea for now.
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