Fight the Amoral Fight

Janus
Posted by: sp34n119w, 5. tammikuuta 2012 klo 22:40 (GMT) +4

When I was in High School I was required to read short passages from Homer's Iliad and Odyssey. I don't remember much discussion about those passages, or even which bits we were to read, but I do remember being disappointed with the teacher's brief treatment. I read the Iliad and Odyssey in their entirety for my own sake, because I enjoyed myths and legends, and was glad I did. What I remember from those stories is the action scenes - monsters and gods and heroes – in part because they have been reinforced in the years since, through pop culture.

Several weeks ago, one of the catalogs I received from The Teaching Company featured deeply discounted lecture series on each of those tales and I couldn't resist. I bought them both and then realized that, after about thirty years, I didn't actually remember the details of those stories. So, off to gutenberg.org to find them. I had decided to start with the Odyssey even though that story takes place after the Iliad and, as it turned out, the wonderful volunteers for gutenberg.org have created an audiobook of Samuel Butler's translation of the Odyssey (not the best, maybe, but, it'll do). I listened to that first and then watched the lecture series.

Interestingly, as much as I again enjoyed the stories of derring-do, what struck me this time (and was completely ignored by my 15-year-old self) was the social interactions between Odysseus and those he encountered, along with the other characters, and the cultural norms that were illustrated by those interactions. They were odd, to say the least, and I thought them an invention, or an idealization, of Homer (whoever that was, or wasn't).

This is the value of experts. The lecturer, Professor Elizabeth Vandiver, has much more knowledge of the ancient Greek culture than I do, through the long study of other literature and art through the 20 or 30 centuries between Homer and me. She has context that I lack for interpreting the action in the Odyssey. Some of what I found strange and unlikely was, in fact, quite normal and natural for the people of the time, and made sense when considering the economic and political realities of small groups of people trying to function as a society, there at the beginning of civilization. In fact, I feel that this study provides insights into some current societies.

I'm thinking that middle age brings a different sensibility to these things.

Steeping myself in ancient Greek thought and mores has brought me back around to my general interest in ancient gods, myths, and legends, that never really goes away. This brings us to Janus, for whom the month of January is named.

Janus was Roman, of course, not Greek. So many of the Roman gods have analogs in Greek mythology (and there are analogs in cultures all around the Mediterranean Sea and beyond, of course, and most Greek gods are borrowed from previous or contemporaneous cultures ... I digress) that I assumed that Janus did, as well. That turns out not to be so. Though there are analogs for Janus in function, he seems to be a purely Roman construct, and likely predates even any concept of “Roman”, as we think of it. The two-faced god, god of doors and harbors and beginnings and endings, who sees the past and the future simultaneously, is truly ancient, yet lives in all times and all places …


OMFSM! Janus is The Doctor!!!


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Swirl Dancing:



For the bigger picture, have a look at the NE Pac WVloop.

The Clouds of Janus:



It Will Rain It Will Rain It Will Rain:



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51. SBKaren 31. tammikuuta 2012 klo 02:05 (GMT)    
It did cool down today didn't it? This morning looked more promising than the afternoon turned out to be!

I hope the boys like basketball. I think it's a fun game, with non-stop action. They just need to be more familiar with it to truly enjoy it. They are in a rec league, so they are exposed to different sports about every 8 weeks. Never really enough time to get deep into the sport, but basically an introduction to see what might eventually appeal to them. I think they will eventually go with soccer, although they liked T-ball too.

Another warm up later this week. I am enjoying this weather, but like you, I know we need more rain. I don't know if I should be scared of our summer, or look forward to it, since it seems like we're getting it now!
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52. LowerCal 31. tammikuuta 2012 klo 23:40 (GMT)    
I think all here would like to see public officials more responsive to the public will. Rapid feedback by the voting public certainly has an effect. However

If I can shop and bank online, why can't I vote online?

David Jefferson
Computer Scientist, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Board Chairman, Verified Voting Foundation
Board of Directors, California Voter Foundation
.... computer and network security experts are virtually unanimous in pointing out that
online voting is an exceedingly dangerous threat to the integrity of U.S. elections. There is no way to
guarantee that the security, privacy, and transparency requirements for elections can all be met with
any practical technology in the foreseeable future. Anyone from a disaffected misfit individual to a
national intelligence agency can remotely attack an online election, modifying or filtering ballots in
ways that are undetectable and uncorrectable, or just disrupting the election and creating havoc.
There are a host of such attacks that can be used singly or in combination. In the cyber security
world today almost all of the advantages are with attackers, and any of these attacks can result in the
wrong persons being elected, or initiatives wrongly passed or rejected.
....
1. It is not actually "safe" to conduct ecommerce transactions online. It is in fact very risky, and
more so every day. Essentially all those risks apply equally to online voting transactions.

2. The technical security, privacy, and transparency requirements for voting are structurally
different from, and actually much more stringent than, those for ecommerce transactions. Even
if ecommerce transactions were safe, the security technology underpinning them would not
suffice for voting. In particular, the voting security and privacy requirements are unique and in
tension in a way that has no analog in the ecommerce world.
....
IMHO the answer starts with major campaign finance reforms.

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53. sp34n119w 31. tammikuuta 2012 klo 23:50 (GMT)    
It is the last day of January! That means I have to change the blog, LOL
Where does the time go?
Don't answer that ;)

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Karen - I definitely think that as long as sport is low-pressure it's really good for even little kids to get involved. They learn physical skills, improving strength and coordination, and also (hopefully) teamwork. Plus, it's fun! :)
I am concerned about summer, too. A winter like this could mean another cold and gray summer and much whining from this corner ;)

Bogon - Oh, now I get you, I think. You mean regular real-time polling of the populace. I don't like that idea at all, sorry to say. Popular polls don't tell us anything about the thinking in the general population (not saying that regular voting does, either, btw). Polls need to be random and controlled and statistically analyzed to be of any use, imo, and are suspect even so.

One would think that, if the poll goes out to everyone, you'd get a random response that would stand in for all, but I think that the results of popular polls are limited by who cares about the issue, who sees the poll, who is willing to answer a poll (many don't, on principle), whether they vote honestly or for the purpose of skewing the poll (there is a blogger who has been known to notify his readers of stupid polls for that express purpose), and whether it is worded in such a way that folks are all clear on its meaning (and get the same meaning), among other things. Way too much selection bias in those polls, along with great potential for misunderstandings.

Then, too, there is the issue of majority rule on issues that ought not be decided that way, as Booker points out in that video.

So, maybe we wouldn't put civil rights issues, or criminal issues, in such poll. What, then? Tax plans? Trade agreements? Military aid to Egypt? FDA regulations?

Representatives, in theory, have time to sort these things out - study details, consider consequences, consult experts, and so forth. That's their job. The rest of us have our own jobs to do which preclude acquiring deep understanding of most issues.

So, that's me riffing on your brainstorm, which generated many random thoughts to be put to pixels - most of which have been removed. How good am I? lol

Maybe I'm still not understanding - that would hardly be unusual! LOL
Do you have an example of what sorts of things should be put to a quick poll? And how that would help keep politicians honest?

And I would like to hear what others think!
Would Bogon's idea work and make a positive difference?

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If anyone is interested enough to answer the questions or to comment on what an idiot I am ... or, you know, whatever ... I'll move them to the February blog. When I create a February blog, that is ;)

Guess I'm feeling the idiot, despite having been quite productive and unusually clever as I went about my business today and yesterday (if I do say so myself!).
Also, my nightmare did not come true, LOL

Oh, I know why, I guess. I went lurking about the wublogs this morning - very enjoyable, lots of laughs and thoughts, happiness for tod's pup - all that and more - and found I had nothing to contribute. So my idiocy is specific to wu. Ah, well. I made up for it here. In number of words, anyway :-/

Happy (late) Tuesday!

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Okay I see LC has weighed in (about time, too, sez I) and I'll have to come back for that!
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54. sp34n119w 31. tammikuuta 2012 klo 23:54 (GMT)    
IMHO the answer starts major with campaign finance reforms.

There it is. Truth.
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55. Ylee 1. helmikuuta 2012 klo 04:20 (GMT)    
Hi, sp! I agree with LC. The stakes for secure voting are exponentially higher than banking. What if the elections were rigged, and stooges planted by the election manipulators won? A lot worse than someone emptying my bank account!

Idiot? Nah, you're no idiot! :)
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56. Bogon 1. helmikuuta 2012 klo 17:58 (GMT)    
Geez, you guys make me wonder how in the world we manage to stage a proper election now.
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57. sp34n119w 1. helmikuuta 2012 klo 22:20 (GMT)    
LC - thanks for bringing that anlysis of the perils of electronic voting. I like the comparison to shopping online because I think many folks don't know how dangerous that really is. I will note that I do a lot of shopping online, anyway.

I saw Elizabeth Warren on tv a few days ago talking about the Citizens United decision and the possibility of an amendment to fix that. I guess the consensus is that that is the only way to do so and yet she seems reluctant to consider that option. Apparently, she and Scott Brown signed some sort of pledge to donate to charity some amount of money if outside interests spent ad money in their own favor, or something, and asked that interest groups not do that. She seems to think that politicians have control over that, individually, or can exert influence, and should. This is, of course, not true. The whole enterprise has taken on a life of its own - and there is a ton of money to be made.

It now occurs to me that we already have rapid response capabilities. We can call or email our elected officials at any time, on any matter.

Ylee - thanks! I'm feeling less idiotic today ;)
And thanks for chiming in!

Bogon - well, good! LOL
Stay ever vigilant - we are all depending on each other to do so. That's what kinda sucks about Democracy.

The weird thing is, it's difficult to catch election fraud even now. It's also hard to follow election fraud stories because they take so long to play out, and even reporters get tired of following them.
I was just searching for an old story of election problems here in my little town and found only one story from about halfway through the saga. It was years before that all ended (with a bit of a whimper, as it happens) though it was big news here while it was going on and people do remember.

The good news is, most of the folks in charge of vote-counting and other election-related work are just like the rest of us - good people who take their jobs seriously and work to do those jobs well.

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I know. It's February. This blog is named for January. Tough! ;)

I've got warm days coming up and am trying to get caught up on inside work so I can play in the sun. Can you blame me?

Happy Wednesday!

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58. LowerCal 1. helmikuuta 2012 klo 23:58 (GMT)    
A third party just exploited a loophole for web videos in the Warren-Scott deal. :^/

Link
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