New floods in Pakistan kill 226; Maria heads towards brush with Bermuda

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 14. syyskuuta 2011 klo 13:53 (GMT)

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A year after enduring the most devastating flooding in its history, Pakistan is again experiencing historic floods. An unusually heavy and late-lasting monsoon has brought torrential rains to Pakistan's southeast Sindh Province, which borders India to the east and the Arabian Sea to the south, and includes Pakistan's largest city, Karachi. The heavy rains began in the 2nd week of August, and have continued into the 2nd week of September, accumulating to 2 1/2 times more than average. According to Dr. Qamar-uz-Zaman Chaudhry, Pakistan's Federal Advisor on Climate Affairs, this is the highest 4-week monsoon rainfall total ever recorded in Sindh province, amounting to more than 37 million acre feet of water, "which is unimaginable." The "unimaginable" rains occurred after a 12-month period where the province received no rain and was under severe drought conditions. At least 226 people have been killed in the new flooding, 1.2 million houses have been damaged or destroyed, and 280,000 people made homeless. There were already 1 million people needing food aid and 800,000 families without permanent shelter due to last year's floods, making this year's renewed flooding particularly disruptive. According to the India Meteorological Department, by September 1, the monsoon usually begins to retreat from northwest India and southeastern Pakistan. That hasn't happened this year, and the monsoon rains are forecast to continue at least for the remainder of this week--well into the 3rd week of September. This very unusual monsoon season also started a week earlier than normal.


Figure 1. Rainfall during the 2011 monsoon season has accumulated to 8 to 12 inches above average over portions of Pakistan's Sindh Province. Image credit: Pakistan Meteorological Department. Before and after satellite images of the flood are available at NASA Earth Observatory.

Is there a climate change connection?
Last year, heavy monsoon rains were enhanced by a very unusual jet stream configuration that brought cool air and rain-bearing low pressure systems to northern Pakistan. The great floods of 2011--rightfully called Pakistan's Katrina--submerged one fifth of the country, killing 1985 people, leaving 11 million homeless, and doing a record $9.5 billion in damage. This year, the monsoon weather patterns were much different, but also highly unusual, resulting in yet another great flood in Pakistan. In an interview with dawn.com, Dr. Qamar-uz-Zaman Chaudhry, Pakistan's Federal Advisor on Climate Affairs, stated: "...climate change has become a reality for Pakistan. Clearly, Pakistan is heading for an increased frequency and intensity of extreme weather events which included frequent floods and droughts, and the need of the hour is to plan for the future changes." These events are in line with international climate change projections, he said.


Figure 2. Evacuations in Pakistan's Sindh Province during the summer 2011 floods. Image credit: Pakistan Meteorological Department.

A skeptic of Dr. Qamar's arguments might point to the fact that monsoon rainfall in neighboring India was not all that unusual in either 2010 or 2011, and that major monsoon flooding disasters in back-to-back years in Pakistan were probably just bad luck. However, the monsoon in India and Pakistan has undeniably changed in recent decades. In a study published in Science in 2006, Goswami et al. found that the level of heavy rainfall activity in the monsoon over India had more than doubled in the 50 years since the 1950s, leading to an increased disaster potential from heavy flooding. Moderate and weak rain events decreased over the past 50 years, leaving the total amount of rain deposited by the monsoon roughly constant. The authors commented, "These findings are in tune with model projections and some observations that indicate an increase in heavy rain events and a decrease in weak events under global warming scenarios." A warming climate loads the dice in favor of heavier extreme precipitation events. This occurs because more water vapor can evaporate into a warmer atmosphere, increasing the chances of record heavy downpours. In addition, heavy downpours preferentially occur during thunderstorms, and a warmer climate produces a longer period of time during the year when thunderstorms can occur, giving more opportunities for heavy rainfall events. During August 2011, ocean temperatures in the Arabian Sea off the coast of Pakistan, in the region between 15°N - 25°N, 60°E - 70°E, were 0.8°C (1.4°F) above average, according to an analysis I did of the HADSST2 dataset. This was the 5th highest such value in over 100 years of record keeping. During the July 2010 monsoon, this region of ocean was 1.1°C (2.0°F) above average, the warmest July ocean temperatures on record. The extra heat in the ocean the past two summers have undoubtedly contributed to the high rainfall totals in Pakistan by allowing more water vapor to evaporate into the air. Thus, we should expect to see an increased number of disastrous monsoon floods in coming decades as the climate continues to warm and the oceans off the coasts of India and Pakistan heat up. Since the population continues to increase at a rapid rate in the region, death tolls from monsoon flooding disasters are likely to climb dramatically in coming decades. Another concern is that climate change might lead to more failures of the monsoon--years when the rains are far below normal, leading to widespread drought and crop failures. This is a more dangerous scenario, since historically, droughts have been much more deadly than floods in Asia. Failure of the monsoon rains typically occur during El Niño years, so if climate change increases the frequency of El Niño, we might see an increase in the failure of the monsoon rains. So far, climate models are unclear on how climate change might affect El Niño, so we don't know how great a concern future failures of the monsoon might be.

References
Goswami, et al., 2006, " Increasing Trend of Extreme Rain Events Over India in a Warming Environment", Science, 1 December 2006:Vol. 314. no. 5804, pp. 1442 - 1445 DOI: 10.1126/science.1132027

Tropical Storm Maria headed towards a brush with Bermuda
Tropical Storm Maria is finally pulling away from Puerto Rico, and is headed north-northwest towards a brush with Bermuda, which will occur Thursday morning. Wind shear has fallen about 5 knots since yesterday, and is now a moderate 10 - 15 knots. This reduction in shear has allowed Maria a strengthen some, and satellite loops show the storm has more heavy thunderstorms that are better organized. The storm's surface circulation is still exposed on the storm's west side, though, and Maria does not have anything close to a complete eyewall built. Maria passed near NOAA buoy 41046 this morning, which reported a 1-hour period of sustained winds of 38 mph, gusting to 45 mph. An outer spiral band of Maria is just beginning to appear on Bermuda radar.


Figure 3. Morning satellite image of Tropical Storm Maria.

Forecast for Maria
A trough of low pressure moving off the U.S. East Coast a predicted to turn Maria to the north-northeast by early Thursday, and accelerate the storm past Bermuda. The trough will also bring high wind shear of 20 - 30 knots beginning late tonight, which gives Maria just a short window of opportunity to intensify today. NHC gave Maria a 32% chance of reaching hurricane strength by Thursday in their 5 am EDT wind probability forecast. Intensification will be hampered by the fact that Maria will be passing over the cold water wake left by Hurricane Katia today. On Thursday morning, Maria will be making its closest approach to Bermuda. Bermuda will see an 8-hour period of sustained winds in the 25 - 35 mph range, accompanied by heavy rain squalls, beginning near 4 am local time on Thursday. Bermuda may experience a few hours where the wind rises above tropical storm force, 39 mph, near 8 am local time Thursday. Occasional rain squalls are expected to bring 1 - 3 inches of rain to the islands. Most of the models show that Maria will brush or strike Newfoundland, Canada on Friday afternoon. Most of the storm's high winds will be on the right side, and Maria will be weakening rapidly then, so I'm not expecting the storm will do much wind damage. Heavy rains could bring minor to moderate flooding to the eastern portion of the island.

Elsewhere in the tropics
Even the busiest of hurricane seasons have lulls, and we're hitting one this week during what is traditionally the busiest week of hurricane season. The models are backing off this morning on the development of a tropical depression or strong tropical disturbance late this week off the coast of Africa. The NOGAPS model continues to predict the Western Caribbean could see the development of a tropical depression 6 -7 days from now, but the other models are showing little support for this idea.

The Climate Reality Project
Those of you who like Al Gore's efforts to promote climate change awareness and solutions may be interested in checking out his latest effort tonight at 7 pm local time, in all 24 of the world's time zones, via climaterealityproject.org. It's a live streaming multimedia presentation created by Al Gore and delivered once per hour by 24 different presenters for 24 hours, representing every time zone around the globe.

Jeff Masters

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1286. hcubed
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 15:04 (GMT)
Quoting Neapolitan:

Again, there's a HUGE amount of distance between polite civil disobedience and committing violent acts against life or property. Rosa Parks refusing to relinquish her seat on the bus was an unlawful act of civil disobedience, but I doubt she'd be as revered had she responded by strapping dynamite to the bus and blowing both it and its human cargo to smithereeens.

I would imagine--I would hope--the difference is obvious to anyone with a brain.


And yet this believer in "polite civil disobedience" sided with Greenpeace when protesters were arrested in Britian for vandalism (they were charged with causing 35,000 GPB of damage).

True, they didn't blow anything up, or kill anybody, but as long as they were protesting AGW, he didn't see anything wrong with that.

So apparently eco-terrorism is ok. Just don't hurt anyone...
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1285. MahFL
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 15:03 (GMT)
Quoting AllBoardedUp:
Check out this AC unit from Aqua Star Holdings (now Sutimco) and windmill from Wild Cap Energy (now Sutimco, Inc.)

http://www.wild-cap.com/

http://www.aquastarcooling.com/

The AC unit runs on water only, no freon or chemicals.


No info on the price of the units though. I bet they will be 2 times more expensive than a traditional unit. Also they say you have to already have a forced air system, so that means an electric fan, which adds to the running costs ?
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1284. Thoroside
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:58 (GMT)
Quoting Neapolitan:
I'm not sure whether anyone saw these, so thought this momentary lull might be as good a time as any to show them. Mitch Dobrowner is a photographer who specializes in a certain type of composition, lighting, and processing that results in a very dramatic and hyper-realistic image. Well, Dobrowner went storm chasing two years ago, and has released some books containing photos from those chases (along with others). TIME Magazine contained a brief photo essay of a few of the images yesterday. Here are a few. Click on any to enlarge:

Dobrowner

Dobrowner

Dobrowner


Thank you Neopolitan, I certainly appreciated this share. INCREDIBLE imagery. I look forward to catching that book sometime. Thanks for spreading the word on this. That man Dobrowner has my dream job.
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1283. TropicTraveler
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:52 (GMT)
Quoting AllBoardedUp:
Uh? What happened? Did they get banned? Man, Keeper has been on here as long as I can remember.


Read the blog from last night. Beel didn't say, just said he was leaving. Keeper said he didn't blame him, felt like it himself. Didn't think Keeper left, however, there was so much nonsense and arguing about AGW/GW that I wouldn't blame either of them. I don't think legitimate dialogue about climate change is useless, I think hateful and insult filled arguing from people whose minds are already made up is useles.
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1282. MahFL
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:52 (GMT)
Quoting hurricanejunky:


That is absolutely not true. Wind and solar as a combination can and does work in many areas of the country and world as consistent, clean energy sources. Go back to school. Nuke is NOT 100% safe. I think we've seen enough evidence of that both recently and historically. One nuclear disaster can leave whole regions uninhabitable for thousands of years. That's unacceptable.


You need to cover a "region" in solar cells to power a large city, so bang goes your recretional beautifull countryside.
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1281. hcubed
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:50 (GMT)
Quoting StormHype:


Wind and solar alone isn't the answer unless you want to live in a commune in a tent like 3rd world African. Nuke can be done safe enough if regulated properly. It's the only practical large scale method available that is zero carbon emissions. Nat gas has huge potential also, but you still have to deal with carbon emissions.


And some countries, such as India, are looking into thorium reactors.
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1280. TropicTraveler
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:49 (GMT)
Quoting AussieStorm:
Ex Hurricane Katia in the UK.

Gale force winds at Leeds Bradford International Airport, Englands highest airport, blew planes off course as they were trying to land.


Been on a plane when that happened at the front edge of a thunderstorm. The pilot who dated himself by his comment, said he'd given us the "E" ticket ride.
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1279. blakels
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:49 (GMT)
Quoting SQUAWK:


Guess they think the blog isn't worth the hassle anymore.


Most people aren't allowed to sleep at work so they don't want to take the risk by reading this blog anymore.
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1278. aspectre
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:45 (GMT)
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1276. Some1Has2BtheRookie
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:38 (GMT)
New blog!
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1275. AllBoardedUp
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:37 (GMT)
Check out this AC unit from Aqua Star Holdings (now Sutimco) and windmill from Wild Cap Energy (now Sutimco, Inc.)

http://www.wild-cap.com/

http://www.aquastarcooling.com/

The AC unit runs on water only, no freon or chemicals.
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1274. FtMyersgal
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:35 (GMT)
Quoting aspectre:
beell is still around... though he was having a tiff with someone at that time. Read nothing there that'd cause a ban.
KOTG has been on a longer-than-usual hiatus, but he's (voluntarily) taken a similar amount of time off before.

He took his blog down. It's still there but blank
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1273. hurricanejunky
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:34 (GMT)
Quoting AussieStorm:

I would also add Geo-thermal. Most of New Zealand's power comes from Geo-thermal.


Yes, geo-thermal is another excellent resource. Hydro turbines are promising and working in some areas as we speak. The Hudson river has been a successful test bed for them.

Natural gas would be a GREAT stopgap energy source if it weren't for fracking and the horrific environmental fallout it causes despite what the frackers will have us believe. If they can figure out a way to harvest natural gas without fracking or by replacing the toxic chemical cocktail they inject into the earth with a non-toxic alternative, natural gas could provide a viable path to energy independence.
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1272. jpsb
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:31 (GMT)
Quoting AussieStorm:

I would also add Geo-thermal. Most of New Zealand's power comes from Geo-thermal.
Ice land too get most of it's power from Geo-thermal I believe. There a a few places where that might work but New York City for instance, is not one of them.
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1271. aspectre
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:30 (GMT)
beell is still around... though he was having a tiff with someone at that time. Read nothing there that'd cause a ban.
KOTG has been on a longer-than-usual hiatus, but he's (voluntarily) taken a similar amount of time off before.
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1270. AussieStorm
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:28 (GMT)
Quoting StormHype:


Wind and solar alone isn't the answer unless you want to live in a commune in a tent like 3rd world African. Nuke can be done safe enough if regulated properly. It's the only practical large scale method available that is zero carbon emissions. Nat gas has huge potential also, but you still have to deal with carbon emissions.

I would also add Geo-thermal. 10% of New Zealand's power comes from Geo-thermal.
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1269. AllBoardedUp
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:27 (GMT)
Quoting HIPPOCRITT:

They are currently cleaning the blogs of all useful, intelligent, smart and informative bloggers and leaving behind the AGW crowd and trolls.  As the smiley face shirt says...Have a Nice Day.
Are you saying they are doing the opposite of "culling the herd". Natural selection is supposed to keep the strong and intelligent in the herd. lol
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1268. kap333
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:26 (GMT)
That small low looks interesting NE of the Antilles. It is at 22 N 55 W. Thoughts?
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1267. hurricanejunky
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:25 (GMT)
Quoting StormHype:


Wind and solar alone isn't the answer unless you want to live in a commune in a tent like 3rd world African. Nuke can be done safe enough if regulated properly. It's the only practical large scale method available that is zero carbon emissions. Nat gas has huge potential also, but you still have to deal with carbon emissions.


That is absolutely not true. Wind and solar as a combination can and does work in many areas of the country and world as consistent, clean energy sources. Go back to school. Nuke is NOT 100% safe. I think we've seen enough evidence of that both recently and historically. One nuclear disaster can leave whole regions uninhabitable for thousands of years. That's unacceptable.
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1265. AllBoardedUp
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:24 (GMT)
Quoting jpsb:
Wow. Thx for the pic, happy I was not on board that plane!
Right! If I were on that plane I think I would have to take a boat back on the return trip home!
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1264. jpsb
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:23 (GMT)
Quoting Neapolitan:
I'm not sure whether anyone saw these, so thought this momentary lull might be as good a time as any to show them.
Cool pics thanks
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1263. SQUAWK
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:23 (GMT)
Quoting PrivateIdaho:
Anyone know why Beell and KOTG left? Did the mass bannings get them or did they just wise up and ban themselves.


Guess they think the blog isn't worth the hassle anymore.
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1262. jpsb
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:22 (GMT)
Quoting AussieStorm:
Ex Hurricane Katia in the UK.

Gale force winds at Leeds Bradford International Airport, Englands highest airport, blew planes off course as they were trying to land.
Wow. Thx for the pic, happy I was not on board that plane!
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1261. AllBoardedUp
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:22 (GMT)
Mass bans? It's been a couple of days since I logged on. What the hell is going on here?
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1260. aspectre
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:21 (GMT)
29.0n68.6w has been re-evaluated&altered for TS.Maria's_12pmGMT_ATCF
28.8n68.5w, 31.2n67.8w are now the most recent positions
Starting 15Sept_12pmGMT and ending 15Sept_12pmGMT

The 4 southern line-segments represent TropicalStormMaria's path,
the northernmost line-segment is the straightline projection for 12pmGMT,
the coastline blob at 43.5n65.693w-yqi is the endpoint of the straightline projection connected to its nearest airport for the 6amGMT*mapping,
and the coastline blob at 44.589n63.452w-yaw is the same for the 12amGMT*mapping.

Using straightline projection of the travel-speed&heading derived from the
ATCF coordinates spanning the 6hours between 6amGMT then 12pmGMT :
TS.Maria's travel-speed was 28.5mph(45.9k/h) on a heading of 14.1degrees(NNE)
TS.Maria was headed toward passage over ClamBay,NovaScotia ~1day8hours from now

Copy&paste 44.589n63.452w-yaw, 43.5n65.693w-yqi, 24.6n69.3w-25.6n69.3w, 25.6n69.3w-27.2n68.9w, 27.2n68.9w-28.8n68.5w, 28.8n68.5w-31.2n67.8w, yaw, 28.8n68.5w-44.726n62.913w, yps into the GreatCircleMapper for more info

The previous mapping (for 15Sept_6amGMT)

* The alteration of the endpoint of a TropicalCyclone's previous path also changes its previous travel-speed&heading, and the endpoint of its previous straightline projection...
...but I'm choosing to preserve the historicity of the mappings.
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1259. jpsb
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:21 (GMT)
Quoting hurricanejunky:


>EXCUSE ME! I want a clean energy future for the country and the planet. There is nothing wrong with that and it certainly doesn't warrant ridicule.


It would be nice if we could replace fossil fuel and nuclear energy with wind, solar, waves, thermal, hydro, or dare I say it fusion. But sadly it is impossible to do, just not mathematically possible. There just is not enough energy via renewables to power our modern society. Not even close. So, if you are going to be reasonable you are going to have to take a look and energy production that might not be as appealing to you as renewables. Or you could just say the hell with it, go to renewables only and kill off 75 or 80 percent of the population. Because without reliable power lots and lots and lots of people are going to die, lots.
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1258. StormHype
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:20 (GMT)
Quoting hurricanejunky:


There is no such thing as 100% safe and then there is the cost and effects of the nuclear waste to worry about. If we delivered nuclear in such a way that waste was either recycled or minimal then you'd have something but then we still have to consider the disaster potential. Uh, guys, how many ways can it be said that when you have a nuclear disaster there is no easy cleanup for that. The waste and fallout last for thousands of years and once you have a nuclear disaster you can't undo it. Maybe you're OK with that but I'm not. Also, by the time you factor in building a new plant to the absolute highest safety standards and disposing of the waste you may as well go a better route like wind and/or solar. Ever hear of a wind or solar farm causing livestock and crops to die and contaminating soil so it may never be used again? Didn't think so. Did you watch any of the footage from Japan? Ain't it a shame? I bet if you were one of those affected in the Fukushima plant disaster you wouldn't be sitting behind your keyboard looking down your nose at the "AGW crowd".

EXCUSE ME! I want a clean energy future for the country and the planet. There is nothing wrong with that and it certainly doesn't warrant ridicule.


Wind and solar alone isn't the answer unless you want to live in a commune in a tent like 3rd world African. Nuke can be done safe enough if regulated properly. It's the only practical large scale method available that is zero carbon emissions. Nat gas has huge potential also, but you still have to deal with carbon emissions.
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1257. AllBoardedUp
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:19 (GMT)
Quoting LakelandNana:
Goodbye Keeper and Beell, you will both be sorely missed. Sad times....
Uh? What happened? Did they get banned? Man, Keeper has been on here as long as I can remember.
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1256. PrivateIdaho
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:19 (GMT)
Anyone know why Beell and KOTG left? Did the mass bannings get them or did they just wise up and ban themselves.
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1255. AussieStorm
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:18 (GMT)
Ex Hurricane Katia in the UK.

Gale force winds at Leeds Bradford International Airport, Englands highest airport, blew planes off course as they were trying to land.
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1253. AllBoardedUp
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:18 (GMT)
Quoting PLsandcrab:

I see it, but it's nowhere close to me. Lubbock and that area is getting a good soaking. Here is Leon county, we've got another fire going this morning.
Well, it won't help my lawn down here on the coast (Galveston area) but it will at least flow downhill and fill some reservoirs, hopefully!
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1251. FLWeatherFreak91
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:16 (GMT)
Quoting WxLogic:


It it... given that you can't link to RaleighWX.


Here's the 144HR from FSU:



Since we're at it... here's the 12Z CMC at the same time:

hmmm look at that trough chilling over fl...
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1249. hurricanejunky
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:13 (GMT)
Hey Flood, how's it going? Long time no see!
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1248. aspectre
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:12 (GMT)
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1247. hurricanejunky
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:12 (GMT)
Quoting marknmelb:



Yep. Prayed for rain got more fires. hmmmm

On a serious note I really hope those poor folks in Texas get some relief soon. Just not too much too soon or flash flood disasters will be the norm in a lot of places.


Me too...my wife's family is all in DFW, Garland, Amarillo and Denton so we have a real interest in what happens there too. Terrible times in Texas.
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1246. hurricanejunky
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:05 (GMT)
Quoting FrankZapper:
Ain't it a shame. Cause modern SAFE Nuke plants are the answer.


There is no such thing as 100% safe and then there is the cost and effects of the nuclear waste to worry about. If we delivered nuclear in such a way that waste was either recycled or minimal then you'd have something but then we still have to consider the disaster potential. Uh, guys, how many ways can it be said that when you have a nuclear disaster there is no easy cleanup for that. The waste and fallout last for thousands of years and once you have a nuclear disaster you can't undo it. Maybe you're OK with that but I'm not. Also, by the time you factor in building a new plant to the absolute highest safety standards and disposing of the waste you may as well go a better route like wind and/or solar. Ever hear of a wind or solar farm causing livestock and crops to die and contaminating soil so it may never be used again? Didn't think so. Did you watch any of the footage from Japan? Ain't it a shame? I bet if you were one of those affected in the Fukushima plant disaster you wouldn't be sitting behind your keyboard looking down your nose at the "AGW crowd".

EXCUSE ME! I want a clean energy future for the country and the planet. There is nothing wrong with that and it certainly doesn't warrant ridicule.
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1244. Neapolitan
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:03 (GMT)
Quoting hcubed:


Tell that to James Hansen. How many times has this gov't employee been arrested for tresspassing? At least three.

Twice in front of the White House, speaking out against the Obama administration (once for the Mountain Top Removal protest, and once for the TransCanada pipeline), and a third time in West Virgina (also in protest to the Obama administrations announcement to reform, but not abolish, mountaintop removal mining).

Couldn't "convince with data" so he went to "engage in criminal behavior".

Again, there's a HUGE amount of distance between polite civil disobedience and committing violent acts against life or property. Rosa Parks refusing to relinquish her seat on the bus was an unlawful act of civil disobedience, but I doubt she'd be as revered had she responded by strapping dynamite to the bus and blowing both it and its human cargo to smithereeens.

I would imagine--I would hope--the difference is obvious to anyone with a brain.
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1243. PLsandcrab
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:03 (GMT)
Quoting RitaEvac:
At least seeing rain in TX this morning

I see it, but it's nowhere close to me. Lubbock and that area is getting a good soaking. Here is Leon county, we've got another fire going this morning.
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1241. 954FtLCane
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:01 (GMT)
Quoting Neapolitan:
I'm not sure whether anyone saw these, so thought this momentary lull might be as good a time as any to show them. Mitch Dobrowner is a photographer who specializes in a certain type of composition, lighting, and processing that results in a very dramatic and hyper-realistic image. Well, Dobrowner went storm chasing two years ago, and has released some books containing photos from those chases (along with others). TIME Magazine contained a brief photo essay of a few of the images yesterday. Here are a few. Click on any to enlarge:

Dobrowner

Dobrowner

Dobrowner

Those were awesome pics, thanks for the link!!!
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1240. marknmelb
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:01 (GMT)
Neap - Those pics are awesome !!!!
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1239. marknmelb
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 14:00 (GMT)
Quoting hurricanejunky:


Rick Perry's prayer policies don't seem to be working out too well...



Yep. Prayed for rain got more fires. hmmmm

On a serious note I really hope those poor folks in Texas get some relief soon. Just not too much too soon or flash flood disasters will be the norm in a lot of places.
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1238. hcubed
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 13:59 (GMT)
Quoting Neapolitan:

That's a little lot extreme, isn't it? That is, it's quite a leap to go from "convince with data" and "engage in criminal behavior", don't you think?


Tell that to James Hansen. How many times has this gov't employee been arrested for tresspassing? At least three.

Twice in front of the White House, speaking out against the Obama administration (once for the Mountain Top Removal protest, and once for the TransCanada pipeline), and a third time in West Virgina (also in protest to the Obama administrations announcement to reform, but not abolish, mountaintop removal mining).

Couldn't "convince with data" so he went to "engage in criminal behavior".
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1236. AussieStorm
15. syyskuuta 2011 klo 13:55 (GMT)
Quoting PlazaRed:
A bit of subject but worth a mention. We have just had 3 over 6. MAG. earthquakes in the last hour.
In Cuba area.Japan area, and New Zealand area.
I saw it on USGS.
Very early morning to everybody.

You can add a 5.5mag in Fiji, also yesterday there was Chile 5.9, 5.6mag NZ, 6.1mag ALEUTIAN ISLANDS,
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