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Western Caribbean disturbance 98L a threat to develop; Otto weakening
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 9. lokakuuta 2010 klo 13:48 (GMT) +1
An area of disturbed weather (98L) is in the Western Caribbean, a few hundred miles east of the coast of Nicaragua. The disturbance has a modest and slowly increasing amount of intense thunderstorms, and is showing some spin. The disturbance is drifting northwest at less than 5 mph, and is under a moderate 15 knots of wind shear. Dry air in the Western Caribbean has been interfering with development, but 98L is now generating enough thunderstorms that the environment in the Western Caribbean is moistening, which will support further development. Pressures at Colombia's San Andres Island near the center of 98L are not falling, and satellite imagery show disturbed weather only over a very modest portion of the Caribbean, so any development today will be slow to occur.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of 98L.

Forecast for 98L
98L is likely to bring heavy rains to northeastern Honduras and Nicaragua on Sunday, and possibly the Cayman Islands and Jamaica as well. The latest SHIPS model forecast calls for wind shear to stay in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, through Tuesday. This should allow 98L to reach tropical depression status early next week, though NHC is only calling for a 20% chance of 98L becoming a tropical depression by Monday morning. The GFDL and HWRF models are the most aggressive developing 98L. These models predict 98L will intensify into Tropical Storm Paula by Monday, move northwest and then north, and pass through the Cayman Islands on Monday night and Tuesday morning as a tropical storm. Paula would then hit western or central Cuba as a hurricane on Tuesday or Wednesday, brush the Florida Keys, then accelerate northeastward through the western Bahamas on Wednesday or Thursday. This is probably too aggressive of a forecast, given 98L's current small size and lack of organization. The UKMET model also develops 98L, but keeps the storm in the Western Caribbean over the next seven days. The NOGAPS model keeps 98L weak and predicts a more west-northwesterly motion into Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula on Wednesday. The GFS and ECMWF models do not develop 98L. One argument against the development of 98L would be that the phase of the Madden-Julian Oscillation is currently promoting sinking, stable air over the Western Caribbean, which tends to make the atmosphere dryer and more stable. However, I think that 98L will spend enough time in the Western Caribbean to overcome the relatively stable, dry air, and become a tropical depression or tropical storm by Tuesday. The likelihood of the storm hitting Cuba versus moving more to the west-northwest and hitting Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula is difficult to call at this point.

Otto weakening, pulling away from the the islands
The deluge has finally ended for Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and the northern Lesser Antilles Islands from Hurricane Otto. This is welcome news in St. Thomas in the U.S. Virgin Islands, where Otto and its precursor storminess dumped 15.25" of rain over the past eight days. On average, St.Thomas expects to receive just 1.44" of rain during the first eight days of October. Satellite imagery shows that Otto is beginning to suffer the ill-effects of high wind shear of 20 - 30 knots. The cloud pattern has become distorted and non-symmetric, with the clouds on the southwest side of the storm being eaten away by the strong upper-level winds from the southwest creating the shear. Otto will continue to deteriorate due to increasing wind shear until the storm transitions into an extratropical storm on Monday.


Figure 2. Satellite image of Otto taken by NASA's MODIS instrument on their Terra satellite at 11:05 am EDT October 8, 2010. Image credit: NASA.


A challenge to the validity of the world extreme heat record of 136.4°F (58°C) at Al Aziza, Libya
One of the "sacred cows" of world weather extremes has been the widely reported "hottest temperature ever recorded on earth", a reading of 58°C (136.4°F) reported from Al Azizia, Libya on Sept. 13, 1922. In a remarkable piece of research, our featured Weather Extremes blogger Christopher C. Burt concludes: the temperature observations at Al Azizia prior to 1927 (when the site and instruments were changed) are obviously invalid. The shelter housing the thermometer was most likely over exposed and measuring heat radiating of off the black-tarred concrete of the terrace on which it was placed.

Has Mr. Burt slain one of meteorology's most sacred cows? You be the judge. Check out the full story at his blog.

I'll have an update Sunday by 2pm EDT.

Jeff Masters
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651. NRAamy 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 01:31 (GMT)    
It was a dark and stormy night.....

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652. Vincent4989 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 01:32 (GMT)    
Could 98L skips td and turns into ts (or goes td and develops to ts), will get the name "Paula"
If you dont know why the users here already know the prepared names, Wiki up "2010 atlantic hurricane season"
and you'll find a list of names there
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654. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 01:34 (GMT)    
Quoting hydrus:
You seem so sure...:)
it may be nothng at all never sure of anything things change in but a blink of an eye
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655. beell 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 01:37 (GMT)    
Quoting NRAamy:
It was a dark and stormy night.....



The bone-chilling scream split the warm autumn night in two, the first half being before the scream when it was fairly balmy and calm and pleasant for those who hadn't heard the scream at all, but not calm or balmy or even very nice for those who did hear the scream, discounting the little period of time during the actual scream itself when your ears might have been hearing it but your brain wasn't reacting yet to let you know.
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656. CybrTeddy 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 01:37 (GMT)    
Went for a trip to the east coast, 98L was 20%.. come back to 60%. Nearing TD status.

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658. beell 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 01:39 (GMT)    
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659. SweetHomeBamaGOM 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 01:40 (GMT)    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
Went for a trip to the east coast, 98L was 20%.. come back to 60%. Nearing TD status.




in that latest shot it looks like the deep convection to the northeast of 98L has began to pull south. If that trend continues it could help 98L to form as she pulls it in and spins it back around to the northwest quad.
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661. hydrus 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 01:40 (GMT)    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
it may be nothng at all never sure of anything things change in but a blink of an eye
I blinked. 98 is going to Tangiers...;0
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662. SweetHomeBamaGOM 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 01:45 (GMT)    
in the last 2 frames of this floater loop it certainly looks like she is gaining moisture both in her southeast quad from convection moving westbound and the deep convection to the northeast appears to be getting sucked into the circulation which in turn is causing deep convection flare up near the northwest quad, right where she needs it to fight off the dry air.


http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t2/flash-wv.html
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663. hydrus 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 01:45 (GMT)    
Quoting KerryInNOLA:
I thought they were basically the same thing except with a front there are temperature differences where in the trough there are not. Right?
Spot on...A trough can also be an area of lower pressure between two highs.
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664. SweetHomeBamaGOM 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 01:47 (GMT)    
Quoting SweetHomeBamaGOM:

in the last 2 frames of this floater loop it certainly looks like she is gaining moisture both in her southeast quad from convection moving westbound and the deep convection to the northeast appears to be getting sucked into the circulation which in turn is causing deep convection flare up near the northwest quad, right where she needs it to fight off the dry air.


http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t2/flash-wv.html





also notice the dry air being cut into in the very northwest corner of the floater image. outflow looks like it is beginning to moisten the air in front of her to the northwest.
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665. hydrus 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 01:49 (GMT)    
Quoting SweetHomeBamaGOM:
in the last 2 frames of this floater loop it certainly looks like she is gaining moisture both in her southeast quad from convection moving westbound and the deep convection to the northeast appears to be getting sucked into the circulation which in turn is causing deep convection flare up near the northwest quad, right where she needs it to fight off the dry air.


http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t2/flash-wv.html
Ya know, that puppy does look to be moving to the W-NW. But sometimes those loops play tricks on eyes..
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666. weatherlover94 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 01:52 (GMT)    
has anyone looked at the new model runs? the GFDL is the only one making any since the rest are taking it north then south again, due west due south,due east etc
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667. 7544 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 01:55 (GMT)    
hmm pre 99l south of jamacia will these two battle it out ?
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668. Barefootontherocks 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 01:55 (GMT)    
Quoting hydrus:
Spot on...A trough can also be an area of lower pressure between two highs.


I read that wrong the first time.
:)
Glad I went back to reread.
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669. weatherlover94 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 01:55 (GMT)    
the LBR model i think its called is now showing a us landfall but also a good deal of the models are now showing a Mexico landfall
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670. SweetHomeBamaGOM 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 01:55 (GMT)    
Quoting hydrus:
Ya know, that puppy does look to be moving to the W-NW. But sometimes those loops play tricks on eyes..



Yep your right. Here is another link it appears moisture is indeed starting to feed northbound into the dry air pocket and the moisture feeding in from Mexico is also continuing to flow into the central GOM.


http://www.goes.noaa.gov/HURRLOOPS/gulfwv.html
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671. hydrus 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 01:56 (GMT)    
Quoting weatherlover94:
has anyone looked at the new model runs? the GFDL is the only one making any since the rest are taking it north then south again, due west due south,due east etc
Usually that is an indication that the system might stall out..We will just have to wait and see.
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672. beell 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 01:57 (GMT)    
Stylized version of a trough and associated surface features


Link
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674. weatherlover94 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 02:01 (GMT)    
Quoting hydrus:
Usually that is an indication that the system might stall out..We will just have to wait and see.


are you saying its going to stall and hit mexico or stall and hit cuba,florida?
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675. hydrus 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 02:01 (GMT)    
Quoting SweetHomeBamaGOM:



Yep your right. Here is another link it appears moisture is indeed starting to feed northbound into the dry air pocket and the moisture feeding in from Mexico is also continuing to flow into the central GOM.


http://www.goes.noaa.gov/HURRLOOPS/gulfwv.html
This is interesting, notice the weird change in direction...Link
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676. SweetHomeBamaGOM 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 02:03 (GMT)    
Quoting SweetHomeBamaGOM:



Yep your right. Here is another link it appears moisture is indeed starting to feed northbound into the dry air pocket and the moisture feeding in from Mexico is also continuing to flow into the central GOM.


http://www.goes.noaa.gov/HURRLOOPS/gulfwv.html



it's also real humid outside now here in mobile. not august humid but very warm and more like early to mid sept.. some of this moisture may move south out of here into the GOM as well, and I think the loop shows that progression as well.
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677. tkeith 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 02:03 (GMT)    
Quoting Barefootontherocks:


I read that wrong the first time.
:)
Glad I went back to reread.
lol
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678. SweetHomeBamaGOM 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 02:05 (GMT)    
Quoting hydrus:
This is interesting, notice the weird change in direction...Link



i think the focus point of that camera was sliding around so it suggests an exaggerated western movement by misdirection of the eye (the human eye, not the storm's eye..,.lol). but yeah look at that last frame of that. it looks very stacked in its core.

it also looks like the loop suggests consolidation of storms into the center. it definitely appears to have the vacuum hose on in the middle as it all is pulling together and stacking up.
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679. weatherlover94 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 02:05 (GMT)    
i think 98L will become paula and if paula gets strong quick them it will likely absorb that area near Jamaica
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680. hydrus 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 02:07 (GMT)    
Quoting weatherlover94:


are you saying its going to stall and hit mexico or stall and hit cuba,florida?
I cant say where it will stall. Stall means stationary, and if it does so over water it will strengthen, if it does it over any of those areas you mentioned, it will probably fizzle out. When the models go all over it can mean a meandering or quasi-stationary system..Sometimes not.. Still has a lil green..
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681. CosmicEvents 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 02:07 (GMT)    
Quoting hydrus:
Spot on...A trough can also be an area of lower pressure between two highs.
I've been quiet all day but this is just............oh, nevermind.
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682. weathersp 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 02:08 (GMT)    
Was reading one of my favorite online comics (XKCD), and noticed that the blog was mentioned!

Look in the Zoom in inset of the blogosphere in the NE corner (scroll straight down)



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683. beell 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 02:09 (GMT)    
geez, i missed that one, bf!
Must need a break!
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684. afj3 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 02:10 (GMT)    
Hey everyone! Had to give up my Canes ticket tonight to work (Good thing, too, seeing how we are getting killed). Half time about up...anyone have a good opinion on 98L?
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685. CosmicEvents 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 02:12 (GMT)    
I just saw a gator outside.....watching a cloud.
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686. SweetHomeBamaGOM 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 02:14 (GMT)    
Quoting CosmicEvents:
I just saw a gator outside.....watching a cloud.



i just saw a gator run back a kick for a touchdown to pull within a touchdown of the bayou bengals. lol

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687. beell 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 02:15 (GMT)    
i just shot an elephant in my pajamas...
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690. beell 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 02:21 (GMT)    
Back to the game.
See ya, tk/bf.
)

There ya go, bflol.
Later.
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691. hydrus 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 02:26 (GMT)    
Quoting CosmicEvents:
I've been quiet all day but this is just............oh, nevermind.
lol. I guess what I was trying to explain is not all troughs have temperature changes associated with them. Cold air is denser than warm air, this instance is more frontal-genesis like than a trough that is formed from a high pressure area that may have split or weakened due to other environmental forces.
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692. sunlinepr 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 02:27 (GMT)    
Interesting story in Yahoo.... Father and son film outer space, do-it-yourself style

Link

To see the homemade Video from a camera attached to a weather balloon that rose into the
upper stratosphere and recorded the blackness of space.

Link
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693. stormwatcherCI 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 02:29 (GMT)    



Dry air looks to be slowly on the way out.
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694. hydrus 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 02:31 (GMT)    
Quoting beell:
i just shot an elephant in my pajamas...
cruelty to animals is a punishable offense Beell..lol
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695. CaicosRetiredSailor 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 02:34 (GMT)    
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL172010
1100 PM AST SAT OCT 09 2010

...OTTO WEAKENS TO A TROPICAL STORM OVER THE CENTRAL ATLANTIC...


SUMMARY OF 1100 PM AST...0300 UTC...INFORMATION
-----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...33.9N 48.7W
ABOUT 935 MI...1510 KM E OF BERMUDA
ABOUT 1245 MI...2000 KM W OF THE AZORES
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...70 MPH...110 KM/HR
PRESENT MOVEMENT...ENE OR 60 DEGREES AT 38 MPH...61 KM/HR
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...988 MB...29.18 INCHES
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696. sunlinepr 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 02:39 (GMT)    
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701. Felix2007 10. lokakuuta 2010 klo 02:44 (GMT)    
NHC says 98L now has a 60% chance of development. Interesting.
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