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Matthew dissipates; new Western Caribbean disturbance organizing
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 17:28 (GMT) +3
Tropical Storm Matthew has dissipated over the high mountains of Mexico, in the same region where Hurricane Karl came ashore. Matthew's remains will dump very heavy rains over a region that doesn't need it, and flash flooding and mudslide will be a concern over this region of Mexico for the next two days. Guatemala was fortunate--Matthew did dump some heavy rain of up to six inches over the country, but the storm unexpectedly moved well beyond the country, and heavy rains have avoided both Guatemala and Belize today. Venezuela was not so lucky, and heavy rains from Matthew are being blamed for the deaths of seven people in Caracas.


Figure 1. Afternoon satellite image of the Western Caribbean and Central America, showing the remains of Matthew over Mexico, and a large area of disturbed weather beginning to develop over the entire region.

Lisa
Tropical Depression Lisa is being torn apart by wind shear, and will likely not exist by Monday morning.

A wet week for the Western Caribbean
A large region of disturbed weather is developing over the Western Caribbean and Central America today. These sorts of large low pressure systems are very dangerous for Central America and the Western Caribbean, even if they do not spawn a tropical storm. In October 2007, a large low I dubbed "the sleeping giant" spent a week spinning over the region, dumping very heavy rains over all of Central America and the countries bordering the Western Caribbean. Rains from this system triggered flooding that killed 45 people in Haiti, damaged thousands of homes in Cuba, and caused heavy rains in Guatemala, El Salvador, Belize, Mexico, Jamaica, the Cayman Islands, and the Bahamas. The models predict a similar type of storm may evolve over the region over the next few days, and heavy thunderstorms from this disturbance are already affecting the Pacific coasts of Nicaragua, El Salvador, Coast Rica, and Honduras. Heavy rains will likely spread to Jamaica, Cuba, Southwest Haiti, and the Cayman Islands on Monday. These rains may be as great as 3 - 6 inches per day, and will be capable of causing dangerous flooding and mudslides. The models continue to have a poor consensus on the future evolution of this area of disturbed weather. The ECMWF model predicts that by late in the week, the low will get drawn north-northeastwards over Cuba and into South Florida and the Bahamas, and may not develop into a tropical storm. At the other extreme is the GFS model, which predicts that the low will spawn a series of two or three tropical storms over the next ten days, with each of these storms moving northwards across Cuba, South Florida, and the Bahamas. The first of these storms would organize on Monday, moving over South Florida by Wednesday, and would likely be at strongest a 50-mph tropical storm. The Hurricane Hunters are on call to investigate anything that might develop over the Western Caribbean on Monday afternoon. NHC is giving a 10% chance that something might develop in the Western Caribbean by Wednesday.

I'll have an update Monday morning.

Jeff Masters
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351. Jedkins01 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:34 (GMT)    
Quoting SeALWx:

Have you not heard of the mesoscale models?
There are several like the MM5 and local WRFs that are used quite frequently by both NWS and local mets.


yeah well they don't seem to be using them much, they have relied mostly on global models for rainfall coverage, which was probably the fatal flaw lol
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352. aislinnpaps 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:34 (GMT)    
Quoting robj144:
Saints lost in OT. They should have lost last week too... let's see hard it will be for them to repeat. Already off to a rough start.

To keep this weather related... it's sunny today in south FLA. :)


Saints should have been 3 and 0. Will make up for it next game. Who Dat!

My lawn is currently being mowed. First time in a month, considering it is hay and not grass, should have been waist high. Need rain here!
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353. MiamiHurricanes09 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:35 (GMT)    
Broad and open low pressure area.

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354. CaptnDan142 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:36 (GMT)    
Quoting Kristina40:


Yeah, and yesterday's showers were really spotty. One of my customers got no rain at all while the other side of his street got drenched. I live up in Hiland Park and we generally get more than the beach.


A bit farther over, Callaway and Parker seem to get more than we do. One of the maps people post here actually shows it. That's just a wet area I guess. We get a sprinkle, they get flooded. Seems odd to see a pattern like that on such a small scale.

The Beach seems to miss it all the time. Anything that comes in off the water seems to get inland to pick up on the thermal convection a bit before firing up I guess.
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355. clwstmchasr 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:36 (GMT)    
Quoting Jeff9641:


Hey buddy, I saw 2.47" Friday night and it appears we are in for a massive dumping later today. I would agree it has been dry overall but that appears to be changing as FL could have several tropical systems passing thru the next 6 weeks.


For us to get the rain here in Central Fl we need to get something to come up the West Coast. Right now there is a lot of model support for storms to move right through South Florida.
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356. Jedkins01 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:38 (GMT)    
Quoting clwstmchasr:


For us to get the rain here in Central Fl we need to get something to come up the West Coast. Right now there is a lot of model support for storms to move right through South Florida.


yeah that's what worries me, that a southern Florida track could bring drier air in rather then rain.
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357. flsky 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:38 (GMT)    
Quoting Skyepony:
LBAR By far bested the rest of the models on Matthew..24hrs error 58nm, 48hr 60.4, 72hrs 92.5, 96hrs 272.6 & at 5 days 326.4.

Would you post a link to this model? I can't find it. Thanks!
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358. clwstmchasr 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:38 (GMT)    
Quoting aislinnpaps:


Saints should have been 3 and 0. Will make up for it next game. Who Dat!

My lawn is currently being mowed. First time in a month, considering it is hay and not grass, should have been waist high. Need rain here!


My Bucs are 2-1 and tied for first. Why do believe that won't be for long???? I'll answer the question. We're not that good. 7 wins this year.
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359. robj144 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:38 (GMT)    
Quoting aislinnpaps:


Saints should have been 3 and 0. Will make up for it next game. Who Dat!

My lawn is currently being mowed. First time in a month, considering it is hay and not grass, should have been waist high. Need rain here!


Lucky you're not 1-2. It's also fairly hot today here. :)
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360. MiamiHurricanes09 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:39 (GMT)    
12z ECMWF ensembles say southwestern Florida in 4 days.

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361. gordydunnot 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:39 (GMT)    
A little dedication to this afternoon discussion on time. Chicago Does anybody really know what time it is, does anybody really care.Link
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363. CaptnDan142 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:40 (GMT)    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
12z ECMWF ensembles say southwestern Florida in 5 days.



What happened to Wednesday?
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364. stormwatcherCI 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:41 (GMT)    
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
pressures on my station is showing 1005.8mb and falling
WS in EE at 1005 too.
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365. Hurricanes101 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:41 (GMT)    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
12z ECMWF ensembles say southwestern Florida in 5 days.



which is why the NHC still only has this at 10%, a lesson in why they know more than most on here
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366. MiamiHurricanes09 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:41 (GMT)    
Quoting Hurricanes101:


which is why the NHC still only has this at 10%, a lesson in why they know more than most on here
Scratch that...4 days.
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368. TampaCat5 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:42 (GMT)    
Quoting sammywammybamy:



In that radar video you just posted, looks like fay went out of its way to avoid Tampa Bay. It's like we have a storm shield!
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372. Dakster 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:45 (GMT)    
Wednesday it had something to do, so it postponed itself until Friday. *shrug*

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373. MiamiHurricanes09 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:45 (GMT)    
Quoting weatherman12345:

what does the [pressure say?
It's an ensemble mean so it's useless to look at the pressure. But the fact that it indicates 1003mb shows that there is remarkable agreement among the ensembles members.
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374. CaptnDan142 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:46 (GMT)    
Quoting Dakster:
Wednesday it had something to do, so it postponed itself until Friday. *shrug*



Ah, the ol' previous engagement bit.

;-)
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376. aislinnpaps 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:47 (GMT)    
Quoting clwstmchasr:


My Bucs are 2-1 and tied for first. Why do believe that won't be for long???? I'll answer the question. We're not that good. 7 wins this year.


Saints took how many years to get to the Superbowl? My grandfather taught me you have to pick a team and stick with them through thick and thin.

South LA is getting all the rain we need in west central LA.
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377. barbamz 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:48 (GMT)    
San Pedro, Belize, pressure 1004,3 and falling.
http://sanpedroweather.com/
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378. sporteguy03 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:48 (GMT)    
Quoting Hurricanes101:


which is why the NHC still only has this at 10%, a lesson in why they know more than most on here


Also called patience and not rushing to conclusions on something that has not formed yet...we have seen storms spin up fast and others that take a few days, the NHC sees something there but not getting too far ahead of themselves.
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379. UKHWatcher 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:48 (GMT)    
Quoting Progster:


It sure looks like Julia-Deux qualifies....The track though will avoid the mainland US if it follows climatology..but Bermuda, Nova Scotia or poor old NFLD may be in the sights again. SST's are warm and anomalously warm to the N and W of Julia II...and as JLPR2 noted, shear is low...




She sure came back out a nowhere this afternoon!

GOES EAST Water Vapor Loop http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/natl/flash-wv.html

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380. seflagamma 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:49 (GMT)    
#274,

Quoting Kearn:
oh heck we need rain in FL so bad

if it isn't going to be this oh-look-at-me-i'm-going-to-flatten-your-state kind of storm then it's welcome here


No we don't look at the drought map, only the Panhandle is in need of rain,...those of us in central Florida and South Florida are deep green and any tropical system will send us into big time flooding.
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382. aislinnpaps 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:49 (GMT)    
Quoting robj144:


Lucky you're not 1-2. It's also fairly hot today here. :)


Saints fans have to believe. *G*
Pat had a nicer day for being at the game. The temps are about ten degrees cooler than this past week.
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383. cirrocumulus 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:49 (GMT)    

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384. MiamiHurricanes09 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:49 (GMT)    
Quoting weatherman12345:
ok... but are the ensembles usually too low or high on the pressure?
Normally they'll indicate a much weaker system when looking at the means.
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385. Hurricanes101 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:49 (GMT)    
Quoting sporteguy03:


Also called patience and not rushing to conclusions on something that has not formed yet...we have seen storms spin up fast and others that take a few days, the NHC sees something there but not getting too far ahead of themselves.


that and how many times have the consensus been wrong this year? I would say pretty good
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386. OracleDeAtlantis 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:50 (GMT)    
Quoting JLPR2:


Yeah, Julia definitely wants some attention, poor girl was always overshadowed by Igor, it's stime to shine!
LOL XD

Reminds me of a song I heard once.
Quoting JLPR2:


There you go, that is what she wants! XD

I don't think I've ever seen one swing back with any real strength as far west as Bermuda, but this is just casual memory I'm going off of. I'm sure there plenty of examples in history, but the one thing I bet there isn't in the record books, is one that comes back from the North Atlantic and hits CONUS. Now that would be one to make you babble like a baby.
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387. robert88 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:50 (GMT)    
Going by satellite imagery looks like it will be at least 48-72 hours until a TD forms. It will most likely be a weak TS at best. I think the storms that could develop after that mess gets out of the way could be a bigger deal down the road.
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388. Seflhurricane 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:50 (GMT)    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Broad and open low pressure area.

hey miami do you think that the NHC will make it 30% next TWO
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389. JLPR2 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:50 (GMT)    
Quoting UKHWatcher:



She sure came back out a nowhere this afternoon!

GOES EAST Water Vapor Loop http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/natl/flash-wv.html



Wind shear relaxing just a bit is allowing Julia to look better and maintain convection.
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391. MiamiHurricanes09 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:51 (GMT)    
Quoting Seflhurricane:
hey miami do you think that the NHC will make it 30% next TWO
Nah, I would raise it to 20% if I were the NHC...not more.
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392. Dakster 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:51 (GMT)    
I think I feel a Wunderground Poll coming on...

What percent will the Western Carribean distrubance be at the next TWO...
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393. Seflhurricane 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:51 (GMT)    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Nah, I would raise it to 20%.
yeah sounds right, hey what school do you go to???
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394. aislinnpaps 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:52 (GMT)    
Quoting Dakster:


Those of us that are Dolphin fans are still waiting...


You'll get there. Good game today. My heart took a while to calm down after the sudden death plays.

StSimonsIslandGAGuy,
I'm glad because the rain would be going to the wrong part of LA. They've been getting enough rain lately.
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397. Seflhurricane 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:53 (GMT)    
Quoting aislinnpaps:


You'll get there. Good game today. My heart took a while to calm down after the sudden death plays.

StSimonsIslandGAGuy,
I'm glad because the rain would be going to the wrong part of LA. They've been getting enough rain lately.
when does the game begin for the dolphins ???
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398. Jedkins01 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:54 (GMT)    
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:


Every year from 2006 on has been below normal. Although to be fair, 2009 was ahead most of the year and then we had a dry fall and were less than 2" below normal for the year.

Areas around us are dry also, but storms have just kept missing us, and locally the island has been dry, dry, dry. We are more than 17" below normal for the year.

In fact, if this tropical system doesn't pan out this week, our driest year in history becomes a real possibility. We need 5.59" more rain this year to tie our driest year on record (going back to 1948)



dang man that's ridiculous, things must look pretty ugly around there! Even though its been dry the last few weeks here, overall its been a pretty nice year rainfall wise. We have had unusually high rainfall followed by unusually dry weather in intervals all year, but overall more rain then dry.
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399. JLPR2 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:56 (GMT)    
D-max should be interesting tonight.

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401. seflagamma 26. syyskuuta 2010 klo 20:57 (GMT)    
You know... all you Florida "I MUST HAVE RAIN EVERYDAY" people need to know.

we get more rain in one month of our dry season than most areas in California get their entire year! and most of the CONUS does not get the rain we get here in Florida.

We are way too spoiled with our wanting so much rain all the time.

I love rain and we need rain to keep our tropical gardens and swamps..but get a grip on the whining.....right now the Panhandle needs rain, the rest of us are still OK..

if we get a wet TC in the next few weeks, South & South Central FLA will be in trouble.
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