Fred is dead; the Atlantic is quiet

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 13. syyskuuta 2009 klo 13:16 (GMT)

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Hurricane Fred is dead, thanks to strong wind shear that finished tearing the storm apart yesterday. While the remains of Fred have generated a burst of heavy thunderstorms this morning, prohibitively high wind shear of 40 - 50 knots today through Monday will prevent regeneration, and should be able to completely disrupt the remnant circulation of Fred.

A tropical wave about 200 miles southeast of the Cape Verdes Islands, just off the coast of Africa, remains disorganized. This morning's QuikSCAT pass showed an elongated circulation, and one spot of 45 mph winds in the small clump of heavy thunderstorms on the south side of the circulation. The wave is under about 20 knots of wind shear, and may show some slow development beginning Monday, when the shear should drop below 20 knots. NHC is giving this system a low (less than 30% chance) or developing into a tropical depression by Tuesday.

A low pressure system that was over the Texas Gulf of Mexico coast has moved inland, and is not a threat to develop into a tropical cyclone. Tropical storm development is possible this week along a frontal zone stretching from Florida to the waters between the Bahamas and North Carolina. However, wind shear will be relatively high in this region, and anything that develops may end up being extratropical in nature.


Figure 1. The remains of Tropical Storm Fred (left) appear as a swirl of low-level clouds with a clump of heavy thunderstorm activity on the north side. A new tropical disturbance near the coast of Africa is disorganized, due to 20 knots of wind shear.

Twenty years ago on this date
On September 13, 1989, Tropical Storm Hugo continued its westward march at 20 mph towards the Lesser Antilles Islands. Shortly after midnight on the 13th, satellite analysts at the National Hurricane Center noted a Central Dense Overcast (CDO) of thick cirrus clouds was forming over the center. The CDO was evidence that Hugo was beginning to build an eyewall. The thunderstorms in the eyewall were now powerful enough to lift large amounts of moisture 45,000 feet high, where the stable air of the stratosphere lay. Unable to penetrate into the stratosphere, the air lifted by Hugo's thunderstorms was forced to spread outward into a thick, circular layer of cirrus clouds--the CDO--that hid the storm's core. The mystery of what was happening beneath the Central Dense Overcast became apparent a few hours later, when a murky eye appeared. At 8 am EDT on the 13th, the National Hurricane Center upgraded Hugo to hurricane status.

At NOAA's Office of Aircraft Operations--the hurricane hunting division of NOAA--we busily prepared for tomorrow's deployment to Barbados of both of our P-3 Orion hurricane hunting aircraft. There were dropsondes and Air-Expendable Bathythermographs to load, computer checks to make, and calibration data to load. We chatted excitedly about the new hurricane that looked like an excellent case study for the hurricane scientists. But there was also an undercurrent of uneasiness to our cheerful preparations. We knew that a Cape Verdes-type hurricane like Hugo that was still 2 - 3 days from the Lesser Antilles would probably kill a lot of people--perhaps even close to home, here in Florida.

In a letter I wrote that night to my soon-to-be-fiancee, Diane, in Michigan, I said: "Well, that dark enveloping death feeling is back again, much stronger than before. I know Hugo the hurricane will kill people and I feel it coming close to here".


Figure 2. GOES visible satellite image of Hurricane Hugo taken on September 13, 1989. Image credit: Google Earth rendition of the NOAA HURSAT data base.

Jeff Masters


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1089. antonio28
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 15:45 (GMT)
Quoting leftovers:
fred is dead


Yeap R.I.P. Grace coming up in a few days...
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1086. IKE
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 14:40 (GMT)
Quoting SAINTHURRIFAN:
amen ike but some on here make me wonder with the time they have to spend on here, back to lurking for another 3 years lol


Saint...I work out of my house...a lot of my job is dealing with insurance companies on the net. I hope that explains why I'm on here...off and on.

Have a nice day.
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1085. IKE
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 14:38 (GMT)
NEW BLOG!
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1084. SAINTHURRIFAN
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 14:38 (GMT)
amen ike but some on here make me wonder with the time they have to spend on here, back to lurking for another 3 years lol
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1083. IKE
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 14:32 (GMT)
Quoting SAINTHURRIFAN:
sorry it took me so long to reply ike had a vp meeting, thats the breaks when you have 4500 employees working for you lol. what i stated was this constant nipping at each other thta started with erika. al so 456 has been nipping back at you about the gulf system and constant rip alantics dead post.and in reference to 2008,as you stated that was one year i ggave you examples of many plus was last year a el nino year? and with so many troughs in and out of the gulf wouldnt it be more likely for a bay of campeechie system to go notheast opal?


I don't talk to him. As far as what he says to me...I don't know or care what he says to me.

Yes, I had a disagreement with him when Erika was around. Since then, I've taken care of the problem on my end. He can fire away all he wants to.

Check back on his blogs. When he was made a featured blogger, I was one of the first to congratulate him. When Bill looked like it was aiming at his area, I posted on his blog wishing him luck.

Last year was not an El Nino year.

Have a nice day. I'm sorry, I didn't know you were unable to reply because of your job.

As far as the 2009 Atlantic hurricane season...it's the weather. I have more important things in my life to worry about, like my health and being able to pay my bills each month. Most people have more important things to worry about than the tropics.



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1082. WxLogic
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 14:32 (GMT)
Good morning...
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1081. Floodman
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 14:26 (GMT)
Quoting ElConando:


so you want proof?


Oh, by the way, WUMail it to me, if you would...I have an emergency dental appointment I'm on my way out to and it would be easier than me having to dig through the blog in a couple of hours trying to find it

Thanks!
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1080. TheDawnAwakening
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 14:26 (GMT)
Choi-Wan now a category two typhoon and is improving imensely. MNF in 8 and a half hours.
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1079. Floodman
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 14:24 (GMT)
Quoting ElConando:


so you want proof?


Yes, please; I'd also like to see the statement he made that the inofrmation was written or created by him...in addition to that, I want to see any forecasts you've made where you've provided the provenance of the data...
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1078. rareaire
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 14:23 (GMT)
Im off to get breakfast and some coffee check in on you guys later, Be good
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1077. PanhandleChuck
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 14:22 (GMT)
Good mornin' all. Hey Ike, I've been working all weekend and I just pulled up the CMC. What in the world is it picking up on in about 84 hours and ramming it right down our throats?
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1076. rareaire
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 14:21 (GMT)
great finally got my daughters 69 buick Skylark convertible painted after 18 months of repairing it! Looks great if I do say so myself!
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1075. SAINTHURRIFAN
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 14:20 (GMT)
sorry it took me so long to reply ike had a vp meeting, thats the breaks when you have 4500 employees working for you lol. what i stated was this constant nipping at each other thta started with erika. al so 456 has been nipping back at you about the gulf system and constant rip alantics dead post.and in reference to 2008,as you stated that was one year i ggave you examples of many plus was last year a el nino year? and with so many troughs in and out of the gulf wouldnt it be more likely for a bay of campeechie system to go notheast opal?
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1074. stoormfury
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 14:20 (GMT)
the area 7N 37w Looks a bit interesting. somehow reminds me of the initial pre existing spin of Ivan
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1073. ElConando
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 14:19 (GMT)
Quoting Floodman:


The word you are looking for is "plagiarized" and, much like the weather, just because you say it doesn't make it so...


so you want proof?
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1072. Floodman
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 14:19 (GMT)
Quoting rareaire:
Were lap 100 in a 200 mile race and its over? It never is dull in here, i'll say that! Mornin Flood and weather456



Howdy, rare, my okie buddy...how was the weekend?
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1071. rareaire
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 14:18 (GMT)
Were lap 100 in a 200 mile race and its over? It never is dull in here, i'll say that! Mornin Flood and weather456

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1070. Floodman
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 14:17 (GMT)
Quoting ElConando:
Drak was on almost everyday before school started lol.
btw 23 has plagarised other material I caught him about a week or two ago doing so.

Quiet time in the Atlantic, enjoy it while it lasts a weak el nino can hold onto quiet conditions in the Atlantic basin for so long in Sept.

have a nice day :)


The word you are looking for is "plagiarized" and, much like the weather, just because you say it doesn't make it so...
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1069. IKE
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 14:15 (GMT)
SAINTHURRIFAN...thanks for answering my question
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1068. ElConando
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 14:14 (GMT)
Quoting vortextrance:
If Fred remnants regenerate it would not be Fred. It would get the next available name. This sit happened with Katrina. I don't believe it got past TD level but it fell apart. When it regenerated it got the next TD number.


No it would become TD Fred if it redevelops. It still has a circulation. With Katrina the earlier td fell apart and its remnants, NOT a remnant low help form the TD that spawned Katrina.
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1067. Floodman
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 14:10 (GMT)
Quoting Weather456:
Tropical Update for Monday 14 September 2009

Have a great day as downcasters will be out in force today.

:)



Yep...be prepared for "the season is over, see you next year" about 200 times to day
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1066. vortextrance
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 14:06 (GMT)
If Fred remnants regenerate it would not be Fred. It would get the next available name. This sit happened with Katrina. I don't believe it got past TD level but it fell apart. When it regenerated it got the next TD number.
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1064. hydrus
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 13:56 (GMT)
Good morning kori-was wondering if you ever read my post about the 1982 storm.
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1063. PensacolaDoug
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 13:43 (GMT)
E Carrib is dead zone.
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1062. hydrus
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 13:30 (GMT)
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
I was looking at that too and wondering.
The hurricane center was talking about about that one yesterday, it is officially a wave.
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1061. stormwatcherCI
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 13:16 (GMT)
Quoting jpsb:
What's up with that blob right in front of the leeward islands?
I was looking at that too and wondering.
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1060. Dodabear
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 13:15 (GMT)
Quoting ZvoneCro:
Hi to all, my first post here. I have question regarding remnants of Fred. If it regenerates into tropical storm or even hurricane, would it still be Fred or in that case it gets new name?

Fred
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1059. ZvoneCro
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 13:12 (GMT)
Hi to all, my first post here. I have question regarding remnants of Fred. If it regenerates into tropical storm or even hurricane, would it still be Fred or in that case it gets new name?
1058. Dodabear
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 13:06 (GMT)
Quoting Chicklit:
Looking forward to Dr. M's next installment of 'flying into Hurricane Hugo.'
Also curious about there being two planes and wonder if that is significant.

He said they were flying out of Barbados.


If you look up on the right side of this page under "recommended links" you will see one for "flying into Hugo" and that will end your wait and answer your questions.
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1057. jpsb
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 13:05 (GMT)
Quoting leftovers:
seems like all the characters are burned out. it like little league baseball at the end of the season all the parents are ready for it to end. unfornately there might be a surprise. plenty of suspect areas.
What's up with that blob right in front of the leeward islands?
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1055. Chicklit
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 12:50 (GMT)
Looking forward to Dr. M's next installment of 'flying into Hurricane Hugo.'

Also curious about there being two planes and wonder if that is significant.


He said they were flying out of Barbados.
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1052. ElConando
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 12:23 (GMT)
Drak was on almost everyday before school started lol.
btw 23 has plagarised other material I caught him about a week or two ago doing so.

Quiet time in the Atlantic, enjoy it while it lasts a weak el nino can hold onto quiet conditions in the Atlantic basin for so long in Sept.

have a nice day :)
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1051. IKE
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 12:21 (GMT)
SAINTHURRIFAN...when was the last time you saw me arguing with 456?

SAINTHURRIFAN...go back and look at 2008. After IKE. A cold-front came through within a matter of a week. A substantial cold front. Now look at how many systems affected the northern gulf-coast after that happened....

I never said it was completely over with if a strong cold-front came through here. Read my post above...

If that front comes true and pushes through the SE USA, it's getting real close to being over along the northern GOM.


Those are my opinions and I moved on. Just like you said we should do on here.

I'll be waiting for your answer to my question.
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1049. Tazmanian
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 12:14 (GMT)
WE HAVE A PINE HOLE EYE


UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 7.2.3
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 14 SEP 2009 Time : 113000 UTC
Lat : 16:14:45 N Lon : 147:15:52 E


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
4.4 / 970.4mb/ 74.6kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
(3hr avg)
4.4 5.9 6.9

Latitude bias adjustment to MSLP : +2.4mb

Estimated radius of max. wind based on IR :<10 km

Center Temp : -24.8C Cloud Region Temp : -79.7C

Scene Type : PINHOLE EYE
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1048. vince1966
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 12:09 (GMT)
Quoting leftovers:
nothing wrong in downcasting i rather be upcasting
You and everyone else.
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1047. SAINTHURRIFAN
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 12:06 (GMT)
hello everyone lot of people on here probably do not remember me, but i was one of the old posters from the 2005 era. i have not posted on here since 2007 lost interest after the originals left and the drama started.a lot of good bloggers left here, just and example of a few that rarely/or no longer post here: lefty, bob(weatherguy03), hurricane 1979, doc in the swamp ,alex, jedkins,mobal,outrocket, rays queen, gamma etc. although we dont blog anymore we still lurk regurally and disscuss it through emails.now you say what is the point of this fools rambling,well i thought maybe if some of you knew what ran off a lot of the old and knowledgable bloggers here are some of the reasons: the constant annoying arguing over downcast rip wishcast who cares just make a opinion and say i am a amateur dont read in to it. jfv what a annoying sob, great to see the young people take interest but act like a adult and you will be treated like one. the people who monopolize and stay on this blog 24hrs 7 days a week! do these people have a life outside a weather blog? the poeple who post the same satellite images over and over. the arguing between bloggers example ike and 456 waisted conversation and childless. and drak, does anybody notice how he only pops up when their is something east of florida ? and hurricane 23 well he only pops in to make a comment on the obvious after it already happened.adrian (hurricane 23 also in 2006 was nailed to the wall for plagarizing and pasting matierial from other blogs. jfv whatever happened to his child and fiancee from last year? must have dissappeared. and for stormtop, i do not know why people put him on ignore for he is actually comical "weather office lmao. now for the good storm w i really appreciate your input and knowledge keep up the info and god bless. ike for your dedication to devoting all your time to this blog; but the rip next 70 days to go are annoying you seem to have to much class for that . and ike to say the northern gulf coast through after a front in mid sept: hilda oct 1964,juan late oct 1985 kate nov 20 1985 opal 1995, lili oct 2002, matthew oct 2004 so storms hit the northern gulf coast in oct and rarely nov.weather 456 really sharp young man, knows his stuff.456 one shortcoming the arguing with ike to good posters just drop the childlike bickering. and thier are others just not as familiar with. well thanks for lettin g this old fool time to ramble have a good day and god bless
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1046. IKE
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 12:03 (GMT)
Quoting TomSal:
RE: P451 in post 1038. What is displayed in the top picture? Thanks.


It's Fred.

Look how it's getting choked in SAL....

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1043. TomSal
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 11:59 (GMT)
RE: P451 in post 1038. What is displayed in the top picture? Thanks.
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1042. PensacolaDoug
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 11:58 (GMT)
Mornin all. Not much happening I see.
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1039. IKE
14. syyskuuta 2009 klo 11:53 (GMT)
From accuweather....

"Last Update: 14-SEP-2009 06:41am EDT

The remnant low of what once was Hurricane Fred is located near 18 north and 38 west, way out in the central tropical Atlantic. It is on the go now to the west as high pressure continues to build to the north of this feature. This remnant low is still fighting strong upper-level winds from the southwest and is showing up nicely on the satellite loop as convection remains to the north of the center of circulation. Conditions remain unfavorable for re-strengthening the next few days with strong winds aloft in its path. The remnant low should continue to cause flare ups of convection and maintain a low-level center of circulation as it moves across the central Atlantic. Long-range models show this feature east the Bahamas next weekend, so it will be interesting to see what kind of shape it is in at that time.

Aside from the remnants of Fred, the Atlantic basin is remarkably quiet for this time of year.

By AccuWeather.com Senior Meteorologist Bob Smerbeck and Meteorologist Matt Keefe"


The 00Z ECMWF shows Fred east of the Bahamas as a wave and then losses it.

Shows nothing else in the Atlantic basin through September 24th. I even checked the South America view to get a look at what's coming off Africa.
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