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Hurricane Hunters find 50 - 60 mph winds in disturbance 92L north of Puerto Rico
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 25. elokuuta 2009 klo 20:54 (GMT) +4
The tropical wave (92L) a few hundred miles north of Puerto Rico is generating a large area of surface winds of 50 - 60 mph, according to the latest information from the Hurricane Hunters. Top winds seen so far at their flight level of 1,000 feet were 69 mph, which would make 92L a strong tropical storm if it had a surface circulation.
However, the aircraft has not found a surface circulation, and the satellite appearance shows virtually no change in the amount, intensity, or organization of the storm's thunderstorm activity. Wind shear has dropped to the moderate range, 15 - 20 knots this afternoon, but the upper low 92L is moving underneath is dumping cold, dry air into the region. Dry air continues to get ingested into 92L's thunderstorms, creating strong downdrafts that are robbing 92L of heat and moisture. These downdrafts are creating surface arc clouds that spread out from where the downdraft hits the ocean surface. NHC continues to give 92L a high (greater than 50% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Thursday afternoon.

The forecast for 92L
As 92L moves underneath the center of the upper low on Wednesday morning, the upper low is expected to weaken, and wind shear is expected to decline to the low range, 5 - 10 knots. However, the upper-level low will continue to dump dry, cold air into 92L through Thursday afternoon, slowing down development. By Thursday night, when 92L should be several hundred miles off the coast of northern Florida, the upper-level low may be weak enough and far enough away that 92L will find itself in a region with light upper level anticyclonic winds, which would favor more rapid development. However, this favorable environment will not last long, since a strong trough of low pressure will be approaching the U.S. East Coast on Friday. This trough will bring high wind shear of 20 - 30 knots by Friday night. This trough should be strong enough to turn 92L to the north. The models disagree substantially on how close 92L will be to the coast at that time. One camp of models, including the NOGAPS, Canadian, UKMET, and ECMWF models, predict 92L will pass very close to the Outer Banks of North Carolina on Friday night or Saturday morning. The GFS, GFDL, and HWRF models keep 92L several hundred miles out to sea. Both sets of models bring 92L north-northeastwards on Saturday, with a track over Massachusetts or Nova Scotia. The intensity forecast for 92L is problematic, since it's eventual strength depends upon how quickly it manages to become a tropical depression. Given that 92L will find itself in a favorable environment for strengthening for about 36 hours this week, and marginal for the remainder of the week, I give the system these odds:

10% chance of never getting a name.
20% chance of becoming a weak tropical storm (40 - 50 mph winds).
40% chance of becoming a strong tropical storm (55 - 70 mph winds).
30% chance of attaining hurricane strength.

Elsewhere in the Atlantic
The ECMWF and UKMET models predict the development of a tropical wave coming off the coast of Africa late this week. The GFS model no longer shows this.

I'll have an update Wednesday morning.

Jeff Masters
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851. eddye 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:15 (GMT)    
im at school
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852. WxLogic 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:15 (GMT)    
Quoting kmanislander:
Anyway time to get ready for the day. Will check in later


Have to do the same... l8r Kman... and everyone... checking back in 1 to 2 hours.
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853. DaytonaBeachWatcher 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:15 (GMT)    
Quoting IKE:


ECMWF and CMC and NAM have it making landfall on the Carolina coast.

Other models like the GFS, GFDL, HWRF and NOGAPS keep it offshore.


You're gonna get in trouble for that, lol
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854. willdunc79 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:15 (GMT)    
Our local mets are sure that 92L/Danny will stay offshore of N. Carolina and will give us some breezy conditions if that.
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855. claimsadjuster 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:16 (GMT)    
Quoting IKE:


ECMWF and CMC and NAM have it making landfall on the Carolina coast.

Other models like the GFS, GFDL, HWRF and NOGAPS keep it offshore.


Which of these have been the best so far this season Ike?
856. kmanislander 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:17 (GMT)    
Quoting P451:
QSCAT also appears to give this invest frontal features in addition to the elongated center.

Just not all that tropical looking to me.

Looks like something you'd find off the North Carolina coast in October.



Nice illustration. The combination of the track, winds and proximity to land will probably spur the NHC into classifying it. If the low tightens up later it should look more tropical in nature.
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858. IKE 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:18 (GMT)    
Quoting claimsadjuster:


Which of these have been the best so far this season Ike?


To me, the ECMWF.
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859. HurricaneKing 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:19 (GMT)    
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEWPORT/MOREHEAD CITY NC
300 AM EDT WED AUG 26 2009

THERE IS LOW CONFIDENCE IN THE LATER PART OF THE WEEK AS THE MODEL
UNCERTAINTY IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND TRACK OF AN AREA OF DISTURBED
WX NEARING THE BAHAMAS COULD RESULT IN VERY DIFFERENT MARINE OUTCOMES
FOR THE NC COASTAL WATERS. THE SWELL FROM THIS SYSTEM IS
ANTICIPATED TO MOVE INTO THE AREA ON THU...GRADUALLY PUSHING SEAS
BACK UP TO NEAR SCA. THE SWELL WILL KEEP SEAS UP INTO THU NT...WITH
WINDS UNDER 15KT. USING HPC FRONT/PRESSURE PATTERN AS A GUIDE SHOW
A WEAK LOW MOVING OUT OF THE S AND PASSING THROUGH THE PAM SOUND
BY SAT.
HAVE BUMPED UP THE WINDS MARGINALLY TO 15 TO 20 KT FRI
NT/SAT GIVEN UNCERTAINTY IN STRENGTH. GFS CONTINUE TO BE THE
UNFAVORED MODEL GIVEN FAR E OUTLIER...SO DON`T TRUST WAVEWATCH SEA
HEIGHTS AT THIS TIME. WILL CONTINUE WITH MARGINAL SCA BUT BUMPED
SEAS UP ABOUT A FOOT TO BETTER MATCH OUR OPC OFFSHORE FCST. AT
THIS TIME FCST HIGHLY DEPENDANT ON SYSTEM POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT
WHICH IS BEING MONITORED BY NHC. WILL HOLD OFF ON ANY HEADLINES
GIVEN UNCERTAINTY WITH DEVELOPING LOW.

This was in the marine section. Well they believe a landfall should occur and the gfs is to far east since there has to be a landfall for it to get in the sound.
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861. HurricaneKing 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:21 (GMT)    
Quoting IKE:


To me, the ECMWF.


I agree.
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862. KEHCharleston 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:21 (GMT)    
Same Buoy
Station 41046 (Requested) - E Bahamas 23.867 N 70.870 W

Wind Direction
08 26 5:50 am NNE
08 26 4:50 am NNE
08 26 3:50 am NE
08 26 2:50 am NE
08 26 1:50 am ENE
08 26 12:50 am NE
08 25 11:50 pm ENE
08 25 10:50 pm NE
08 25 9:50 pm ENE
08 25 8:50 pm NE
08 25 7:50 pm ENE
08 25 6:50 pm E
08 25 5:50 pm ENE
08 25 4:50 pm ENE
08 25 3:50 pm E
08 25 2:50 pm E
08 25 1:50 pm E
08 25 12:50 pm E
08 25 11:50 am E
08 25 10:50 am E
08 25 9:50 am E
08 25 8:50 am NE
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863. yonzabam 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:24 (GMT)    
Hurricane Bill's remnants currently bringing warm, horizontal drizzle to sw Scotland as I look out of the window.
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864. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:26 (GMT)    
Quoting eddye:
im at school
turn off computer and learn something
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865. IKE 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:27 (GMT)    
Tell 92L to put some clothes on...

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866. bingcrosby 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:27 (GMT)    
92L still looks like crap. I'm not sure why the NHC says this can become a Tropical Storm at any time. No TS until late Thursday at the earliest.
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867. justalurker 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:27 (GMT)    
when can we see NHC put up a T.S. warning for bahamas? do you think tomorrow or later tonight?
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868. presslord 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:28 (GMT)    
Quoting DaytonaBeachWatcher:


You're gonna get in trouble for that, lol


IKE...
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869. mac3821 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:28 (GMT)    
I'm just a novice but if 92L gets its act together that thing could be scary. It appears to be a pretty decent size storm.
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870. FLDART1 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:28 (GMT)    
Good Morning Press...
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871. Bonedog 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:29 (GMT)    
exposed coc now 24.78 70.18



finally a good spot

Convection displaced to the W and NW
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872. Engine2 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:30 (GMT)    
Shear has subsided we should soon see some convection wrapping in
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873. StormJunkie 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:30 (GMT)    
Quoting IKE:
Looks like it's moving almost due west.


Be interesting to see the 12z xtrap and BAM models when they come out shortly.

Morning all,

Good to see ya press and Dart.
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874. Bonedog 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:31 (GMT)    
LOL oops I mean East and Northeast

sorry direction diareha this morning
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875. HurricaneKing 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:32 (GMT)    
Quoting Bonedog:
exposed coc now 24.78 70.18



finally a good spot

Convection displaced to the W and NW


Uhh you mean east and northeast right? LOL
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876. FLDART1 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:33 (GMT)    
Morning SJ... Love the pic of you and little man.
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878. Bonedog 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:34 (GMT)    
re 875 yup check 874 LOL

my bad, still on the first cup
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879. mikatnight 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:34 (GMT)    
Quoting willdunc79:
Our local mets are sure that 92L/Danny will stay offshore of N. Carolina and will give us some breezy conditions if that.


Thought it was Dean, not Danny, for the next named storm...
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880. potteryX 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:35 (GMT)    
Thats the same image, Jeff.
EDIT...
OK, you edited it.
881. StormJunkie 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:36 (GMT)    
Funny Bonedog & HK :~)


Is the SFWM site usually the first to update with the Xtrap, and the BAM models?
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883. Bonedog 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:37 (GMT)    
06 gfdl starting to track west now =(

Link

wonder what the other models will start doing? east coast better keep a weather eye out for 92L/Danny might be our turn to finally get hit =(
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884. KEHCharleston 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:38 (GMT)    
As Press says, it is not the Carolinas, it is either North Carolina or South Carolina. Our neighbors to the North, stick out like a sore thumb. I have always thought of Wilmington as the magnetic north for east coast storms. Folks from OBX, Wilmington know the drill. IF 92L/Danny runs a bit more west up the coast, I would be surprised if they get caught unprepared.

NWS for Charleston:
.LONG TERM /THURSDAY NIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY/...
THERE IS CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY IN THE FORECAST OVER THE FRIDAY
AND SATURDAY TIME FRAME GIVEN THE POTENTIAL FOR A TROPICAL SYSTEM
TO HAVE AN INFLUENCE ON LOCAL WEATHER CONDITIONS AS IT PASSES WELL
EAST OF THE AREA. THE DISTURBANCE WELL NORTH OF HISPANIOLA IS
EXPECTED TO PASS WELL OFF THE GEORGIA AND SOUTH CAROLINA COASTS
FRIDAY INTO FRIDAY NIGHT...BEFORE LIFTING NORTHEAST TOWARD THE
VICINITY OF THE OUTER BANKS OF NORTH CAROLINA ON SATURDAY.
THE
NAM...CANADIAN AND ECMWF ALL APPEAR TO BE SIMILARLY CLUSTERED WITH
REGARDS TO THE TRACK OF THIS SYSTEM...WITH THE GFS APPEARING TO BE
A BIT OF AN EASTERN OUTLIER. THE ULTIMATE TRACK OF THE SYSTEM WILL
BE DEPENDENT ON HOW DEEP AN UPPER LEVEL TROUGH BECOMES OVER THE
SOUTHEASTERN U.S. AND HOW QUICKLY IT LIFTS NORTHEAST THROUGH THE
FIRST PART OF THE WEEKEND. WHILE THE TROUGH COULD BRING UNSETTLED
WEATHER TO THE REGION FRIDAY INTO SATURDAY...LARGE SCALE
SUBSIDENCE AND DRIER AIR ALONG THE WESTERN PERIPHERY OF THE
TROPICAL SYSTEM COULD HAVE AN EFFECT BY LIMITING THE EXTENT OF
PRECIPITATION ACROSS THE AREA. UNTIL CONFIDENCE IN HOW THE SYSTEM
EVOLVES AND TRACKS INCREASES... WILL LIMIT THE PROBABILITY OF
PRECIPITATION TO A CHANCE BOTH FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. TEMPERATURES
SHOULD ALSO REMAIN NEAR TO SLIGHTLY BELOW NORMAL DURING THIS TIME
PERIOD.
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885. 7544 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:38 (GMT)    
whats the speacial feature thats moving due west is it 92l im confused lol

also 10 day gfsx more a coming

Link
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886. mikatnight 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:38 (GMT)    
Quoting mikatnight:


Thought it was Dean, not Danny, for the next named storm...


Nope, it's Danny. Hmmm. Sorry about that chief...
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887. Bonedog 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:39 (GMT)    
Ana
Bill
Claudette
Danny
Erika
Fred
Grace
Henri
Ida
Joaquin
Kate
Larry
Mindy
Nicholas
Odette
Peter
Rose
Sam
Teresa
Victor
Wanda
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888. nrtiwlnvragn 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:40 (GMT)    
Quoting StormJunkie:
Funny Bonedog & HK :~)


Is the SWFWM site usually the first to update with the Xtrap, and the BAM models?


Morning SJ, they have been slow lately not sure why. You can also try Raleigh Weather
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889. Bonedog 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:41 (GMT)    
thanks SJ =)
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890. Bonedog 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:42 (GMT)    
hmmm looking at the names why am I worried about Grace all of a sudden =/
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891. nrtiwlnvragn 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:42 (GMT)    
AL 92 2009082612 BEST 0 246N 700W 40 1009 DB
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892. ncstorm 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:42 (GMT)    
Quoting KEHCharleston:
As Press says, it is not the Carolinas, it is either North Carolina or South Carolina. Our neighbors to the North, stick out like a sore thumb. I have always thought of Wilmington as the magnetic north for east coast storms. Folks from OBX, Wilmington know the drill. IF 92L/Danny runs a bit more west up the coast, I would be surprised if they get caught unprepared.

NWS for Charleston:
.LONG TERM /THURSDAY NIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY/...
THERE IS CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY IN THE FORECAST OVER THE FRIDAY
AND SATURDAY TIME FRAME GIVEN THE POTENTIAL FOR A TROPICAL SYSTEM
TO HAVE AN INFLUENCE ON LOCAL WEATHER CONDITIONS AS IT PASSES WELL
EAST OF THE AREA. THE DISTURBANCE WELL NORTH OF HISPANIOLA IS
EXPECTED TO PASS WELL OFF THE GEORGIA AND SOUTH CAROLINA COASTS
FRIDAY INTO FRIDAY NIGHT...BEFORE LIFTING NORTHEAST TOWARD THE
VICINITY OF THE OUTER BANKS OF NORTH CAROLINA ON SATURDAY.
THE
NAM...CANADIAN AND ECMWF ALL APPEAR TO BE SIMILARLY CLUSTERED WITH
REGARDS TO THE TRACK OF THIS SYSTEM...WITH THE GFS APPEARING TO BE
A BIT OF AN EASTERN OUTLIER. THE ULTIMATE TRACK OF THE SYSTEM WILL
BE DEPENDENT ON HOW DEEP AN UPPER LEVEL TROUGH BECOMES OVER THE
SOUTHEASTERN U.S. AND HOW QUICKLY IT LIFTS NORTHEAST THROUGH THE
FIRST PART OF THE WEEKEND. WHILE THE TROUGH COULD BRING UNSETTLED
WEATHER TO THE REGION FRIDAY INTO SATURDAY...LARGE SCALE
SUBSIDENCE AND DRIER AIR ALONG THE WESTERN PERIPHERY OF THE
TROPICAL SYSTEM COULD HAVE AN EFFECT BY LIMITING THE EXTENT OF
PRECIPITATION ACROSS THE AREA. UNTIL CONFIDENCE IN HOW THE SYSTEM
EVOLVES AND TRACKS INCREASES... WILL LIMIT THE PROBABILITY OF
PRECIPITATION TO A CHANCE BOTH FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. TEMPERATURES
SHOULD ALSO REMAIN NEAR TO SLIGHTLY BELOW NORMAL DURING THIS TIME
PERIOD.


Well..Im from Wilmington and the local mets have been reporting on it..its a wait and see event..expect the worst but hope for the best
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893. pearlandaggie 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:43 (GMT)    
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894. NEwxguy 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:44 (GMT)    
GM,I see 92L is still status quo,needs to get rid of that upper low before it can do anything
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895. Seflhurricane 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:44 (GMT)    
can i please get a link to the gfdl model run or to the latest model runs
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896. HurricaneKing 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:44 (GMT)    
Quoting Bonedog:
hmmm looking at the names why am I worried about Grace all of a sudden =/



Because Grace helped make the perfect storm?
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897. Dakster 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:44 (GMT)    
Hey presslord.

I thought of you this morning when I was reading a story about two people that were swept out to sea in their boat during Bill. They made it back alive.

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898. IKE 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:45 (GMT)    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
AL 92 2009082612 BEST 0 246N 700W 40 1009 DB


I see the COC now on the 1215UTC visible...completely exposed at those coordinates.
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899. willdunc79 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:46 (GMT)    
It's funny hearing people get upset about others lumping North & South Carolina together when way back in the day they were actually talking about making N.C. & S.C. one and calling it the New South. It goes without saying a lot of people didn't like it so the idea was scrubbed.
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900. FLWeatherFreak91 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:46 (GMT)    
I'm feeling very safe here in Florida this morning after looking at the WV loops and seeing that massive trough stalled out right over the state. Very strategic of Crist.
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901. IKE 26. elokuuta 2009 klo 12:46 (GMT)    
Quoting Seflhurricane:
can i please get a link to the gfdl model run or to the latest model runs


Link
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