Winter Storm Klaus kills 26 in Europe

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 26. tammikuuta 2009 klo 20:20 (GMT)

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Powerful Winter Storm Klaus, similar in strength to a Category 1 hurricane, brought high winds that killed at least 26 people in Spain, France, and Italy on Saturday. Wind gusts as high as 124 mph (199 km/hr) occurred along the northern coast of Spain, and Klaus had a central pressure of 967 mb at its peak on the morning of January 24. Sustained winds of 59 mph were measured at Santander, and wind gusts as high as 69 mph hit Barcelona, where a roof collapsed at a sports center, killing four children. Klaus knocked out power to at least 1.7 million people, and likely did hundreds of millions in damage to Spain and France. The storm caused extensive flooding in southern France, and toppled more than half of the trees in the regions of Gironde and Landes, one of Europe's largest forest areas. It was the worst storm to hit the region since Winter Storm Martin hit in December 1999, killing over 100 people in France and Spain.

A few top wind gusts in Spain from Winter Storm Klaus:

El Musel-Gijon (Asturias): 124 mph (199 km/hr)
Malpica (A Coruña): 114 mph (183 km/hr)
Ancares (Lugo): 113 mph (182 km/hr)
Gijon (Asturias): 104 mph (167 km/hr)



Figure 1. QuikScat image of Winter Storm Klaus approaching Spain at 19:08 GMT Friday January 23, 2009. Winds here suggest Klaus had winds similar to a Category 1 hurricane. Image credit: Paul Chang, NOAA.

Future European storm damage due to climate change
How European extratropical storms like Klaus might change in a world undergoing global warming is highly uncertain. A number of studies cited in the 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report showed significant increases in the intensity and number of extratropical cyclones in recent years. However, the report notes that "as with tropical cyclones, detection of long-term changes in cyclones is hampered by incomplete and changing observing systems". Thus, we cannot tell at present if recent observed changes in extratropical storms are an indication of climate change.

The forecast is also murky. The 2007 IPCC report states, "Confidence in future changes in windiness in Europe remains relatively low....Several studies have suggested a decrease in the total number of cyclones in the Mediterranean Sea, but there is no agreement on whether the number of intense cyclones will increase or decrease".

It's of interest to note that Klaus was a relatively minor storm compared to some past storms that have affected South France. Over-wash deposits in a lagoon in the region were found by Sabatier et al. (2008) to point to Category 3 hurricane-strength winter storms hitting the region roughly once every 100 years. The most recent strikes were in 1839 and 1893.

Hurricane Ike relief efforts presentation
The portlight.org disaster relief charity will be presenting a summary of their Hurricane Ike relief efforts and plans for the future on Wednesday, January 28, at 8:20 am, at the Summerville, SC Kiwanis club. The portlight webcam will be running during the presentation, for those interested.

Jeff Masters

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355. Gustavike
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 16:53 (GMT)
Cuba waits for a new cold front for Friday with another very cold day Saturday and strong winds of the north-northeast. A low pressure will form in the Gulf of Mexico having impelled another cold front at beginnings of February with strong storm possibility in the Cuban West.
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354. conchygirl
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 14:57 (GMT)
Quoting theshepherd:

Rednecks also live in ivory towers,I see.
A bit prejudiced to paint with such a wide brush, maybe?
People who live in glass houses...but that would be too assuming. Maybe better prefaced; neurotics "build" glass houses...
Your anxiety might need to take a pill.
Jewish Holocaust ? Please take two with a glass of warm milk and go back to bed before your vitreous psychology exsposes more.
I'll speak to those who have problems with swallowing the GW science as I am curious as to why they see differently, but you might want to assume the lotus position and contemplate the Golden Rule...

Shep - good response -- you crack me up!
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353. AstroHurricane001
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 14:53 (GMT)
About 15 cm (6 in) total is expected with this storm over the Northeast here in S. Ontario (my location), we could have about half a metre of snow on the ground by February.
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352. Patrap
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 14:49 (GMT)
The second paragraph this am here is interesting.

Long term...
another reinforcing surge of cool dry air will move back in for
Friday morning to keep things cool for the remainder of the week.
Another system gets started Saturday over the northwest Gulf and East Texas
and brings moisture warmth and cloudy skies back to the area. Rain
should begin as well by Sunday as a surface low gets started. This low
will have some much needed support from an upper level trough that
will be digging across the area. The surface low deepens rapidly into
Monday morning as it lifts out. Some strong ts may evolve with the
help of this low by late Sun night and Monday morning over coastal
sections of southeast la but mainly over the Gulf waters. Timing strength
and placement of this system will be better resolved with later
forecasts. Cool temperatures will once again flood back into the area
Monday through Wednesday.

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351. Patrap
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 14:47 (GMT)
Area forecast discussion
National Weather Service New Orleans la
345 am CST Wednesday Jan 28 2009


Short term...
temperatures are falling rapidly behind the cold front moving through
this morning. Ahead of the front we see temperatures in the middle 60s and
once the front passes...temperatures fall into the middle 40s brining about
a 20 degree departure within about an hour. Middle level jet bringing
moisture over the shallow cold air causing gentle lift and a large
area of light cold rain. The front should be bisecting the area by
morning rush hour. The temperature trend should continue over the entire
area even through middle day...so at least over the Easter half of
the area people will leave this morning with temperatures in the 60s and
back home in the middle 40s. Instability is not an asset for this
front and ts should not occur over land. Farther south where there
are higher deep and ambient temperatures...ts will be able to break out
along and ahead of the front later today.
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350. Patrap
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 14:46 (GMT)
We saw the worst cold,in 63 and 89 here in my Life. 89 was awful,Dec 22-25.14f Lo,and low 20s thru the days.
Was,awful.
Plumbers made money though.

GOM IR Loop Link

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349. Patrap
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 14:40 (GMT)
Yesterday afternoon almost broke out the A/C,..but now that N wind is a kickin in
.
Its got that Blue Northern Taste and Look to the clouds.
Not quite like Dec 11th 2008.

But Im wearing my Homer Slippers.
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348. Skyepony (Mod)
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 14:35 (GMT)
Wow Aussie, that's 118F..how miserable.

Pat~ i'm jelious of your rain..
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347. TampaSpin
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 14:33 (GMT)
Pat looks like there may be a chance for some snow for you again.....wonder how many times its ever snowed twice in your area in the same winter season........
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346. TampaSpin
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 14:28 (GMT)
Quoting Patrap:
Morning Tampa..

Mid City Station, New Orleans, Louisiana (PWS)
Updated: 8:27 AM CST on January 28, 2009
Light Rain
55.4 °F
Light Rain Mist


Hi Pat....did i see it right Corpus Cristi was getting snow...
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345. Patrap
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 14:27 (GMT)
Morning Tampa..

Mid City Station, New Orleans, Louisiana (PWS)
Updated: 8:27 AM CST on January 28, 2009
Light Rain
55.4 °F
Light Rain Mist
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344. TampaSpin
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 14:25 (GMT)
Good morning everyone......
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343. AussieStorm
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 14:12 (GMT)
Temperatures nearing 50C degrees
Tom Saunders, Wednesday January 28, 2009 - 19:43 EDT

The heatwave scorching the southeast of the country is reaching unprecedented levels with temperatures soaring to nearly 50C degrees in some parts of South Australia.

Murray Bridge had the states high on Wednesday, reaching an unbearable 48C degrees, 19C above the mid summers average and their hottest day on record.

Other towns to climb above 45C included Keith, Kyancutta, Cleve, Naracoorte, Port Augusta, Snowtown, Wudinna and Ceduna. Even Encounter Bay on the southern coast hit 46C, a remarkable 22C degrees above average.

Darkness is bringing little relief with overnight minimums hovering near 30C degrees, around 15C above average.

Unfortunately the heatwave is still only in its early stages with 40C degree temperatures set to continue over much of South Australia into the weekend.




Weatherzone 2009
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342. KEHCharleston
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 14:05 (GMT)
Nicely done Portlight. Fun watching Paul and John at work.

Skyepony
Thanks for the link. Gives a new meaning to 'when hell freezes over'.
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339. Skyepony (Mod)
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 13:44 (GMT)
The winter storm rolling across the US has killed 19 so far. Huge losses of power. Arkansas is having their largest outage ever. Hoping to restore in days, not weeks..
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338. calusakat
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 13:13 (GMT)
And now for something completely different...

Please watch the Portlight Live Webcast by clicking on the link provided on Post # 337
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337. Portlight
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 13:07 (GMT)
We are now on site and will be presenting on our Hurricane Ike Relief effort shortly. Live webcast.
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336. calusakat
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 13:01 (GMT)
Re: 315. BCtotheG

Right here on this blog people have been derisively called 'denialists' for differing with AGW. Is it a 'Law' or is it a 'Theory'...the AGWfl'ers conduct themselves as if it were a 'LAW'.

Denialist...Heretic...all vehement accusations against someone whose only crime was disagreeing with the CTW of a group.

I do believe that I have made it clear that I am shining the light of truth on the fact that the instrumentation on which the AGWFL'ers are relying, has not been subjected to the same rigorous standards as other research fields.

By neglecting to demand rigorous standards from those stations and instruments, the PhD's involved have not followed pure science . Are they lazy, were they not taught the basics of scientific research or do they have preconceived political views that color their evaluation of the data. I am not going to touch that with a ten foot pole.

I have been talking about Instrument Calibration and the need for established specific periodic calibrations of each and every station in the system that is responsible for generating those, currently, questionable graphs you linked to.

I have been talking about Placement Protocols which determine where each and every station can be placed and, likewise, the periodic reevaluation of each station to verify continuing compliance with the Placement Protocols.
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335. WxLogic
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 12:52 (GMT)
Good morning,

Possible weak to moderate NorthEastern developing in the NE GOM late Sunday into Monday. Should be interesting to see if GFS keeps up the same strength or if it keeps the system at all as we still have a couple days to go until it materializes and cold air again for FL.
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334. all4hurricanes
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 12:32 (GMT)
They closed school today!!! But there's only 2 or so inches so sledding is inprobable.
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333. Portlight
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 12:10 (GMT)
On the way to this mornings presentation.
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332. theshepherd
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 12:00 (GMT)
shhhhhh
It's top secret
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331. MissNadia
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 11:48 (GMT)
Shep
I like your special effects defending the ARK!!!!!
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330. theshepherd
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 11:46 (GMT)
I'm done.
Just a little time on the bag before breakfast.
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329. MissNadia
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 11:39 (GMT)
Hi Shep!

You know it's too early for that GW stuff LOL
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328. theshepherd
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 11:37 (GMT)
mornin' nad
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327. theshepherd
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 11:36 (GMT)
Quoting douglasdao:
People who deny global warming should be placed in the same category as holocaust deniers - delusional bigots who deny obvious scientific reality to justify their own selfish prejudice.

Rednecks also live in ivory towers,I see.
A bit prejudiced to paint with such a wide brush, maybe?
People who live in glass houses...but that would be too assuming. Maybe better prefaced; neurotics "build" glass houses...
Your anxiety might need to take a pill.
Jewish Holocaust ? Please take two with a glass of warm milk and go back to bed before your vitreous psychology exsposes more.
I'll speak to those who have problems with swallowing the GW science as I am curious as to why they see differently, but you might want to assume the lotus position and contemplate the Golden Rule...

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326. MissNadia
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 11:09 (GMT)


Good Morning All..
Wilmington is 54 and there is thick fog outside
Today will be 65 with a chance of rain
Not bad for January in NC!!!
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325. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 08:25 (GMT)
Fiji Meteorological Services
Tropical Disturbance Advisory Number SEVEN
TROPICAL DEPRESSION EIGHT-F
18:00 PM FST January 28 2009
========================================

At 06:00 AM UTC, Tropical Depression EIGHT-F (997 hPa) located at 21.0S 177.4W has 10 minute sustained winds of 30-35 knots between 30 to 120 NM away from the center in the southern quadrant, possibly increasing to 35 knots closer to the center in 12 to 18 hours. The depression is reported as moving south-southwest at 8 knots. Position POOR based on multispectral/visible imagery with animation and peripheral surface observations.

The low level circulation center lies along the western edge of the dense convection and is beginning to slip under the central dense overcast. Sea surface temperatures is around 28C. The system lies to the south of the subtropcial ridge axis in an area of upper diffluence.

Dvorak analysis based on shear pattern yielding DT=PT=3.0 MET=2.5 FT=2.5

Thus T2.5/2.5/D0.5/24 HRS

System lies in an area of 20 knot shear just downstream of an approaching upper short-wave trough. System steered south-southwest by an upper level ridge to the east. CIMSS indicates decreasing shear to the south, hence there is a good chance that TD EIGHT will intensify to cyclone status in the very short term.

Global models are not keen on the system and still agree on moving the system south-southwest and weakening it further.

POTENTIAL FOR 08F TO DEVELOP INTO A TROPICAL CYCLONE IN THE NEXT 12 HOURS IS HIGH.
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324. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 07:38 (GMT)
Fiji Meteorological Services
GALE WARNING FOR TD 08F
========================================

At 06:00 AM UTC, Tropical Depression EIGHT-F (997 hPa) located at 21.0S 177.4W is reported as moving south-southwest at 8 knots.

Position POOR

Clockwise winds of 30 to 35 knots between 30 to 120 NM away from the center in the southern quadrant. Wind possibly increasing to 35 knots close to the center in the next 12 to 18 hours.
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323. TampaSpin
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 05:54 (GMT)
Quoting douglasdao:
People who deny global warming should be placed in the same category as holocaust deniers - delusional bigots who deny obvious scientific reality to justify their own selfish prejudice.


WHAT AN IDIOT..........AND STUPID COMMENT....OBVIOUS TYPICAL LIBERAL THINKING. AL GORE WOULD BE SO PROUD OF YOU........LMAO AS EVERYONE ELSE IS LAUGHING AT YOU ALSO EXCEPT A LIBERAL.
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322. BCtotheG
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 05:51 (GMT)
Douglasdao,

Statements like this undermine the debate. Climate skeptics are not bigots nor delusional. Their opinion is based on what the conclusions they draw from the arguments. To attribute moral or personality traits based on this only serves to further widen a gap that shouldn't exist to begin with. It turns the issue into an 'us vs. them' situation, which isn't what scientific debate is about. A scientific theory stands only by its own merit and that's where the debate should be taking place.
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321. TampaSpin
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 05:50 (GMT)
000
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WSWPAH

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PADUCAH KY
ISSUED BY NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SPRINGFIELD MO
919 PM CST TUE JAN 27 2009

...WINTER STORM CONTINUES TO IMPACT THE REGION TONIGHT...

MOISTURE OVERRIDING AN AIRMASS WITH SUB-FREEZING TEMPERATURES
CONTINUES TO CAUSE FREEZING RAIN AND SNOW OVER THE MIDDLE
MISSISSIPPI RIVER VALLEY REGION.

ADDITIONAL HEAVY ICE ACCUMULATIONS ALONG WITH SOME SLEET AND SNOW
ACCUMULATIONS WILL OCCUR.

THIS BAND OF FROZEN PRECIPITATION TAPER OFF FROM WEST TO EAST
DURING THE MORNING HOURS OF WEDNESDAY.

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CADIZ...HOPKINSVILLE...GREENVILLE...ELKTON...NEW MADRID
919 PM CST TUE JAN 27 2009

...ICE STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 12 PM CST
WEDNESDAY...

AN ICE STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 12 PM CST WEDNESDAY.

FREEZING RAIN WILL CONTINUE OVER WESTERN KENTUCKY INTO THE
OVERNIGHT HOURS. WIDESPREAD ICE ACCUMULATIONS ON EXPOSED SURFACES
HAVE INCREASED UP TO AROUND THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH OVER WESTERN
KENTUCKY. AN ADDITIONAL ONE HALF TO AN INCH OF ICE ACCUMULATION IS
EXPECTED...WITH STORM TOTAL ICE ACCUMULATIONS OF UP TO AN INCH
AND A HALF.

THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION. ICE ACCUMULATIONS OF THIS
MAGNITUDE WILL CAUSE SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO POWER LINES AND TREES.
PREPARE FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF EXTENDED POWER OUTAGES. ROADS WILL
BE HEAVILY IMPACTED...ESPECIALLY AFTER TEMPERATURES FALL INTO THE
20S TONIGHT.

AN ICE STORM WARNING MEANS SEVERE WINTER WEATHER CONDITIONS ARE
EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF ICE ACCUMULATIONS
WILL MAKE TRAVEL DANGEROUS OR IMPOSSIBLE. KEEP AN EXTRA
FLASHLIGHT...FOOD...AND WATER ON HAND. STAY AWAY FROM DOWNED
POWER LINES.

$$

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MOUNT CARMEL...PINCKNEYVILLE...WEST FRANKFORT...MCLEANSBORO...
CARMI...CARBONDALE...HERRIN...HARRISBURG...JONESBORO...VIENNA...
CAIRO...MOUND CITY...PERRYVILLE...MARBLE HILL...CAPE GIRARDEAU...
PIEDMONT...VAN BUREN...DONIPHAN...POPLAR BLUFF...BLOOMFIELD...
SIKESTON
919 PM CST TUE JAN 27 2009

...WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 AM CST
WEDNESDAY...

A WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 AM CST
WEDNESDAY.

FREEZING RAIN WAS TRANSITIONING TO SLEET AND SNOW OVER PORTIONS OF
EASTERN MISSOURI AND SOUTHERN ILLINOIS. HOWEVER...FREEZING RAIN
PERSISTED TONIGHT OVER FAR SOUTHEASTERN MISSOURI...WHERE
CATASTROPHIC TREE AND POWER LINE DAMAGE WAS UNDERWAY. UP TO TWO
INCHES OF ICE HAD ACCUMULATED ON EXPOSED SURFACES IN SOUTHEAST
MISSOURI...WITH AN ADDITIONAL INCH OF ACCUMULATION POSSIBLE.

FREEZING RAIN WILL EVENTUALLY TRANSITION TO SLEET AND SNOW AS THE
NIGHT PROGRESSES. SLEET AND SNOW ACCUMULATIONS COULD TOTAL UP TO
TWO INCHES BY WEDNESDAY MORNING.

THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION. SNOW...SLEET...AND ICE
ACCUMULATIONS OF THIS MAGNITUDE WILL HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON
TRAVEL. PLEASE CONSIDER DELAYING OR CANCELING TRAVEL THROUGH
WEDNESDAY MORNING. SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO POWER LINES AND TREES
WILL CONTINUE.

$$

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POSEYVILLE...EVANSVILLE...BOONVILLE...ROCKPORT...BARDWELL...
WICKLIFFE...PADUCAH...SMITHLAND...BENTON...MARION...EDDYVILLE...
PRINCETON...MORGANFIELD...DIXON...MADISONVILLE...HENDERSON...
OWENSBORO...CALHOUN...CHARLESTON
919 PM CST TUE JAN 27 2009

...WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 12 PM CST
WEDNESDAY...

A WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 12 PM CST
WEDNESDAY.

FREEZING RAIN WILL CONTINUE OVER WESTERN KENTUCKY...SOUTHWEST
INDIANA...AND SOUTHERN ILLINOIS INTO THE OVERNIGHT HOURS.
WIDESPREAD ICE ACCUMULATIONS ON EXPOSED SURFACES HAVE INCREASED UP
TO AROUND THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH OVER THIS REGION. AN ADDITIONAL ONE
HALF TO AN INCH OF ICE ACCUMULATION IS EXPECTED...WITH STORM TOTAL
ICE ACCUMULATIONS OF UP TO AN INCH AND A HALF.

EVENTUALLY THE FREEZING RAIN WILL TRANSITION TO SLEET AND SNOW AS
THE OVERNIGHT HOURS PROGRESS. STORM TOTAL ICE ACCUMULATIONS OF UP
TO ONE AND A HALF INCHES ARE LIKELY IN SOME AREAS.

THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION. ICE ACCUMULATIONS OF THIS
MAGNITUDE WILL CAUSE SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO POWER LINES AND TREES.
PREPARE FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF EXTENDED POWER OUTAGES. ROADS WILL
BE HEAVILY IMPACTED...ESPECIALLY AFTER TEMPERATURES FALL INTO THE
20S TONIGHT.

$$

CRAMER






D LOCAL ROAD AND WEATHER INFORMATION


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319. BCtotheG
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 05:37 (GMT)
I'm pretty sure the temperature in 1880 comes directly from instrumentation. The International Meteorological Organization was founded in 1873, so I'd have a hard time believing there wasn't at least some form of constant temperature observation going on.
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318. Skyepony (Mod)
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 05:30 (GMT)
I found it kinda slow.. Atlantic swell animation of Klaus & the storm before.
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317. douglasdao
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 05:26 (GMT)
People who deny global warming should be placed in the same category as holocaust deniers - delusional bigots who deny obvious scientific reality to justify their own selfish prejudice.
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316. TampaSpin
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 04:47 (GMT)
Quoting BCtotheG:
Calusakat:

Actually, it's my understanding that the satellite temperatures were never pinpoint accurate to begin with and that a simple mercury thermometer is more accurate. The satellites have to go through all sorts of mathematical calibrations in order to take temperature. I'm not knowledgeable enough to go into any more detail than that though.

At this point I'm somewhat at a loss as to what we're debating... Are you specifically disagreeing with this and this? Because if so that's quite an accusation.

Primary literature is in lockstep with evolution, does it stink to high heaven too, or are they in lockstep because of the relative strength of their theory? Which would occam's razor support?

I've never heard anybody called a heretic for disagreeing with global warming. It's a theory just like evolution, gravity, and electromagnetism. It could very easily be overturned by observation yet so far has not been.


Sorry to interupt but, how do we know what the Temperature in 1880 was. I don't know of any accurate measurement of studies that was being done to the point that one would conclude was accurate......am i wrong......please show me proof of this!
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315. BCtotheG
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 04:40 (GMT)
Calusakat:

Actually, it's my understanding that the satellite temperatures were never pinpoint accurate to begin with and that a simple mercury thermometer is more accurate. The satellites have to go through all sorts of mathematical calibrations in order to take temperature. I'm not knowledgeable enough to go into any more detail than that though.

At this point I'm somewhat at a loss as to what we're debating... Are you specifically disagreeing with this and this? Because if so that's quite an accusation.

Primary literature is in lockstep with evolution, does it stink to high heaven too, or are they in lockstep because of the relative strength of their theory? Which would occam's razor support?

I've never heard anybody called a heretic for disagreeing with global warming. It's a theory just like evolution, gravity, and electromagnetism. It could very easily be overturned by observation yet so far has not been.
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314. theshepherd
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 04:02 (GMT)
Quoting TampaSpin:


Warner and the Cards will be hard to beat....He won't turn the ball over....and Fitzgerald will go off as the Secondary for Pitt is banged up the last i heard...
Ouch tampa. Bad karma talk.
I'm sitting quitely until the whistle blows...LOL
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313. calusakat
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 04:01 (GMT)
Re: 306. pangean
That's the only place that I've ever heard the term flat lander.

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A couple of centuries ago scientists believed with all their hearts that the world was flat.

To even suggest otherwise was to be met with accusations of being a heretic.

Today's AGW folks act in much the same way. Don't even dare think about having a differing view. Their response is so vehement against those who would doubt their correctness that it is likely responsible for the seeming lack of opposing viewpoints on the subject.

Hence my term 'Flat Landers'

The AGW solution is simple.

1. Strict adherence to and verification of Placement Protocol for each station.

2. Strict adherence to and verification of the Calibration Protocol of all instruments at each station.

A simple yet concise solution that would put an end the most serious concerns regarding accurate data.

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312. TampaSpin
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 03:59 (GMT)
Don't forget about my SuperBowl Pool fundraiser at my Blog......One person has signed up thus far....the longer you wait the chance you take that someone else will take the points you wanted....don't delay.
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311. TampaSpin
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 03:56 (GMT)
Quoting theshepherd:
Pittsburgh's defense will be no match for Larry Fitzgerald and the Cardinals offense.

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They said the same thing about Fla's defense not being a match for Alabama's Cinderilla offense.
I love my Tide brothers, don't get me wrong.
But, I think the best thing to do is just pack a lunch and bring it on. Talk is cheap. Go Gators...Go Steelers LOL


Warner and the Cards will be hard to beat....He won't turn the ball over....and Fitzgerald will go off as the Secondary for Pitt is banged up the last i heard...
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310. theshepherd
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 03:45 (GMT)
Pittsburgh's defense will be no match for Larry Fitzgerald and the Cardinals offense.

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They said the same thing about Fla's defense not being a match for Alabama's Cinderilla offense.
I love my Tide brothers, don't get me wrong.
But, I think the best thing to do is just pack a lunch and bring it on. Talk is cheap. Go Gators...Go Steelers LOL
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309. calusakat
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 03:42 (GMT)
Re: 301. BCtotheG
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'Calusakat: I'm not sure I completely buy the fact that the data is too corrupt to draw conclusions from. While there are probably isolated examples of poorly maintained stations I'm not sold on the fact that this can account for the current warming trend. Multiple sources all seem to agree on the rate and overall change in temperature (such as GISS and HADCRUT). If the data was sufficiently corrupt to show a warming trend when there actually was none, wouldn't it be very simple to prove that it was through proxy measurements, such as tree rings or oxygen isotope analysis? Not to mention the satellite temperatures can be used against surface stations.
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A person can draw conclusions from any source they want, even corrupt data...it is still a conclusion.

Perhaps it IS time to begin those proxy measurements.

What proof do we have as to the calibration accuracy of satellite temperature measurement. Exactly what causes the satellite temperature measurement to skew from pinpoint accuracy?

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I've never heard AGW referred to as a law. It's a theory and always will be. Vigorous debate is how a theory is refined and improved. I'm inclined to believe the science is very strong when there is such a lack disagreement in the primary literature.

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Not in the minds of the AGWFL'ers. AGW is a fact because they say so and no amount of conflicting data is even allowed to see the light of day in their eyes. That is why I refer to them as Flat Landers...AGW is a LAW there is no theory to it.

The very fact that there is such a stark lack of disagreement in primary literature should cause a prudent person to step back and question how that could be possible. So many scientists and they are all in virtual lockstep? Something is rotten here and it stinks to high heaven.
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308. BahaHurican
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 03:39 (GMT)
Geez, guys, I came here looking for some weather highlights, and all u can talk about is food!!!

And it's not even crawfish (spiny lobster) either . . .
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307. BCtotheG
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 03:30 (GMT)
Also Seastep, thanks for that thing on smoking, I had no idea it was so strongly genetic.
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306. pangean
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 03:29 (GMT)
"What is it to you, if I am?"

That's the only place that I've ever heard the term flat lander. Quite the put-down, I understand.
305. calusakat
28. tammikuuta 2009 klo 03:18 (GMT)
Re: 302. pangean "Are you from Vermont?"

What is it to you, if I am?
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