Area forecast discussion National Weather Service Green Bay WI 234 PM CDT Wednesday Jun 19 2013 Forecast discussion for routine afternoon forecast issuance Short term...tonight and Thursday issued at 234 PM CDT Wednesday Jun 19 2013 Surface analysis showed an area of high pressure that continued to shift east this afternoon. A relatively moist layer between 850-700mb combined with a weak 300mb jet diving down over Lake Superior led to the development of fair weather cumulus in central and north central Wisconsin. Further east...locations closer to the center of the high pressure system remained sunny as drier air dominated. After a cool start to the day...warm southerly flow allowed temperatures to climb quickly and returned to near normal levels...however dewpoints have been slow to increase. Main forecast concern will be timing of precipitation chances on Thursday. As mentioned before...dewpoints have been slow to increase today...with the surge of moist holding off until Thursday afternoon. Therefore...clipped a couple of degrees off the overnight low in most locations. Only exception was in the Northwoods where clouds streaming in from the next system should keep it a bit warmer. Otherwise...not much change made to the overnight hours from the previous forecast tonight as high pressure will keep things dry. A low moving through Canada will drag a cold front over the Upper Peninsula on Thursday...and will be in the vicinity of the WI/yupper border by Thursday evening. In addition...a weak shortwave will slide across Wisconsin during the late afternoon. These two features will result in scattered shower and thunderstorm activity on Thursday. Models have been too moist recently/overdoing the precipitation...so slowed down the progression of chance probability of precipitation eastward from previous forecast. In fact...location in far eastern Wisconsin may see a completely dry Thursday...with central and north central Wisconsin sitting under mostly cloudy skies and scattered shower activity. Temperatures tomorrow will be warmer than today...and muggy conditions should develop by late afternoon as dewpoints increase into the lower 60s on southwesterly flow. Long term...Thursday night through Wednesday issued at 234 PM CDT Wednesday Jun 19 2013 Mean flow into early next week to consist of an upper trough over the eastern Pacific/western Continental U.S. And a broad/somewhat flat upper ridge to extend from the Southern Plains to the mid-Atlantic. This pattern will bring warm...humid and unsettled weather to NE WI through much of the extended period. Trying to find a dry period will be the biggest forecast challenge as ripples of shortwave energy and a frontal boundary in the vicinity act as a focus. Prevailing west-SW flow aloft to gradually bring warmer/more moist air mass into WI Thursday night. While relatively tame warm air advection-induced showers/ thunderstorms to be in our general vicinity Thursday evening...the potential development of a mesoscale convective system over the upper MS valley on the nose of a 40 knots low-level jet will need to be watched during the overnight hours. This convective complex would be rolling toward N-cntrl/central WI prior to sunrise with a threat of damaging winds if it were to materialize. Have placed highest probability of precipitation generally west of an imt-sue line with low-end chance probability of precipitation over the Lakeshore. Change in air mass will provide an actual summerlike feel as min temperatures to only drop into the 60-65 degree range. Remains of the mesoscale convective system to move through the rest of NE WI Friday morning... but should be weakening as the low-level jet weakens. The problem then resides for Friday afternoon and whether additional convective activity can develop. Atmosphere will be able to destabilize with convective available potential energy surpassing 4k j/kg with little cin indicated. The key could be if any convective boundaries are left behind by the mesoscale convective system. This is hard to determine at this time...thus have left afternoon probability of precipitation in the lower to middle 80s (cooler lakeside) and dew points in the middle to upper 60s. Persistent SW winds aloft is forecast to lift a warm front through southern WI to central WI by 12z Sat. Gulf moisture will continue to feed into the region with the fnt acting as a focusing mechanism. Even with the loss of daytime heating...the atmosphere to remain unstable with middle-level lapse rates around 7 c/km and lifted indice's around -6. Have blanketed the forecast area with hi chance probability of precipitation for now...but expect some changes once the location of the warm front becomes more obvious. This warm front is then expected to either hold nearly steady over central WI or slowly edge north toward northern WI on Sat. There could easily be a lull in the precipitation during the morning as the atmosphere reloads from earlier convection...however as the atmosphere destabilizes once again during the afternoon (capes around 2k j/gk/Li's around -5)...a new round of showers/thunderstorms should develop especially near the warm front. 800 mb temperatures in the +15 to +20c range should yield maximum temperatures to reach into the Lower-Middle 80s inland/75-80 near Lake Michigan on Sat. Subtle model differences occur Sat night as the GFS sharpens the upper ridge over the Great Lakes and forces the next shortwave well to our northwest. Meanwhile...the European model (ecmwf) keeps the upper ridge somewhat flat and allows this shortwave to enter the western Great Lakes. Hard to determine which solution is correct...but with the warm front still lurking over northern WI...will place highest probability of precipitation over the north with slightly less probability of precipitation farther south. Much like Sat...any overnight convection would tend to weaken in the morning on Sunday...only to refire in the afternoon as instability soars. Precipitation for Sunday would be scattered at best due to the warm front to have lifted north and no prominent shortwave advertised by the models. If we could stay pcpn-free...a few locations could reach the 90 degree mark as the heat and humidity continue to overspread the area. A new Twist occurs Sunday night as a cold front attempts to push toward WI. This fnt will lose the battle against the entrenched upper ridge and eventually stall (or even washout) somewhere over northern or central WI by Monday. This fnt could still bring another round of showers/thunderstorms to parts of the forecast area Sunday night and depending on where the fnt hangs up on Monday...bring additional precipitation chances. Too much uncertainty here to try and pinpoint higher probability of precipitation...so essentially followed a consensus solution which brings chance probability of precipitation to all of NE WI. While the extended models agree that the upper ridge will eventually rebuild over The Rockies by the end of the period...how we get there is a matter of conjecture. The European model (ecmwf) subtlely flattens the mean flow with the GFS showing a substantial shortwave trough to move through WI around Tuesday night. NE WI to remain in the warm sector through Tuesday...so cannot rule out at least a chance of shwrs/tstms. By Wednesday...the cold front pushes through the region with a continued chance for more precipitation. && Aviation...for 18z taf issuance issued at 1140 am CDT Wednesday Jun 19 2013 High pressure over the western lakes will continue to shift east allowing southerly winds to bring in warmer and more humid air into the region. VFR conditions will continue for today and tonight. A disturbance will approach the area out of the northern plains on Thursday....bringing with it increasing VFR clouds through the day from northwest to southeast. Scattered showers possible in the northern taf sites late in the morning. && Marine... issued at 234 PM CDT Wednesday Jun 19 2013 A warm and humid air mass will overspread the cooler waters of the Bay of Green Bay and Lake Michigan Thursday night or Friday...leading to the formation of locally dense marine fog. This locally dense marine fog will continue at times into early next week as the warm and humid air mass remains firmly entrenched across the region. Several complexes of thunderstorms are expected from time to time Friday into early next week. These storms will pose a significant risk for mariners with strong winds...locally higher waves...large hail and torrential rains which will reduce visibilities below one mile. && Hydrology... issued at 234 PM CDT Wednesday Jun 19 2013 Several complexes of thunderstorms are expected from Friday into early next week. A very warm and humid air mass will become entrenched across the region late this week and persist into early next week. Precipitable water values should run 150 to 200 percent of normal...leading the likelihood on torrential rains and potential for urban flooding due to the intense rainfall rates. Any training or slow moving thunderstorms will increase the risk of flooding. && Grb watches/warnings/advisories... none. && $$ Short term.....Wolf long term......kallas aviation.......Wolf marine.........Kallas hydrology......kallas