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Area forecast discussion 
National Weather Service Green Bay WI 
234 PM CDT Wednesday Jun 19 2013 


Forecast discussion for routine afternoon forecast issuance 


Short term...tonight and Thursday 
issued at 234 PM CDT Wednesday Jun 19 2013 


Surface analysis showed an area of high pressure that continued to 
shift east this afternoon. A relatively moist layer between 
850-700mb combined with a weak 300mb jet diving down over Lake 
Superior led to the development of fair weather cumulus in central and 
north central Wisconsin. Further east...locations closer to the 
center of the high pressure system remained sunny as drier air 
dominated. After a cool start to the day...warm southerly flow 
allowed temperatures to climb quickly and returned to near normal 
levels...however dewpoints have been slow to increase. Main 
forecast concern will be timing of precipitation chances on Thursday. 


As mentioned before...dewpoints have been slow to increase 
today...with the surge of moist holding off until Thursday 
afternoon. Therefore...clipped a couple of degrees off the 
overnight low in most locations. Only exception was in the 
Northwoods where clouds streaming in from the next system should 
keep it a bit warmer. Otherwise...not much change made to the 
overnight hours from the previous forecast tonight as high 
pressure will keep things dry. 


A low moving through Canada will drag a cold front over the Upper 
Peninsula on Thursday...and will be in the vicinity of the 
WI/yupper border by Thursday evening. In addition...a weak 
shortwave will slide across Wisconsin during the late afternoon. 
These two features will result in scattered shower and 
thunderstorm activity on Thursday. Models have been too moist 
recently/overdoing the precipitation...so slowed down the progression of 
chance probability of precipitation eastward from previous forecast. In fact...location 
in far eastern Wisconsin may see a completely dry Thursday...with 
central and north central Wisconsin sitting under mostly cloudy 
skies and scattered shower activity. Temperatures tomorrow will be 
warmer than today...and muggy conditions should develop by late 
afternoon as dewpoints increase into the lower 60s on southwesterly 
flow. 


Long term...Thursday night through Wednesday 
issued at 234 PM CDT Wednesday Jun 19 2013 


Mean flow into early next week to consist of an upper trough over the 
eastern Pacific/western Continental U.S. And a broad/somewhat flat upper ridge to extend 
from the Southern Plains to the mid-Atlantic. This pattern will bring 
warm...humid and unsettled weather to NE WI through much of the 
extended period. Trying to find a dry period will be the biggest 
forecast challenge as ripples of shortwave energy and a frontal 
boundary in the vicinity act as a focus. 


Prevailing west-SW flow aloft to gradually bring warmer/more moist 
air mass into WI Thursday night. While relatively tame warm air advection-induced showers/ 
thunderstorms to be in our general vicinity Thursday evening...the potential 
development of a mesoscale convective system over the upper MS valley on the nose of a 40 knots 
low-level jet will need to be watched during the overnight hours. This 
convective complex would be rolling toward N-cntrl/central WI prior 
to sunrise with a threat of damaging winds if it were to 
materialize. Have placed highest probability of precipitation generally west of an imt-sue 
line with low-end chance probability of precipitation over the Lakeshore. Change in air mass 
will provide an actual summerlike feel as min temperatures to only drop 
into the 60-65 degree range. 


Remains of the mesoscale convective system to move through the rest of NE WI Friday morning... 
but should be weakening as the low-level jet weakens. The problem 
then resides for Friday afternoon and whether additional convective 
activity can develop. Atmosphere will be able to destabilize with 
convective available potential energy surpassing 4k j/kg with little cin indicated. The key could 
be if any convective boundaries are left behind by the mesoscale convective system. This 
is hard to determine at this time...thus have left afternoon probability of precipitation 
in the lower to middle 80s (cooler lakeside) and dew points in the middle to 
upper 60s. 


Persistent SW winds aloft is forecast to lift a warm front through southern WI to 
central WI by 12z Sat. Gulf moisture will continue to feed into the region 
with the fnt acting as a focusing mechanism. Even with the loss of 
daytime heating...the atmosphere to remain unstable with middle-level 
lapse rates around 7 c/km and lifted indice's around -6. Have blanketed the 
forecast area with hi chance probability of precipitation for now...but expect some changes once 
the location of the warm front becomes more obvious. This warm front is 
then expected to either hold nearly steady over central WI or slowly 
edge north toward northern WI on Sat. There could easily be a lull in 
the precipitation during the morning as the atmosphere reloads from earlier 
convection...however as the atmosphere destabilizes once again 
during the afternoon (capes around 2k j/gk/Li's around -5)...a new 
round of showers/thunderstorms should develop especially near the warm front. 800 mb 
temperatures in the +15 to +20c range should yield maximum temperatures to reach 
into the Lower-Middle 80s inland/75-80 near Lake Michigan on Sat. 


Subtle model differences occur Sat night as the GFS sharpens the upper 
ridge over the Great Lakes and forces the next shortwave well to our 
northwest. Meanwhile...the European model (ecmwf) keeps the upper ridge somewhat flat and 
allows this shortwave to enter the western Great Lakes. Hard to 
determine which solution is correct...but with the warm front still 
lurking over northern WI...will place highest probability of precipitation over the north with 
slightly less probability of precipitation farther south. Much like Sat...any overnight 
convection would tend to weaken in the morning on Sunday...only to 
refire in the afternoon as instability soars. Precipitation for Sunday 
would be scattered at best due to the warm front to have lifted north 
and no prominent shortwave advertised by the models. If we could 
stay pcpn-free...a few locations could reach the 90 degree mark as 
the heat and humidity continue to overspread the area. 


A new Twist occurs Sunday night as a cold front attempts to push toward 
WI. This fnt will lose the battle against the entrenched upper ridge and 
eventually stall (or even washout) somewhere over northern or central WI 
by Monday. This fnt could still bring another round of showers/thunderstorms to 
parts of the forecast area Sunday night and depending on where the fnt 
hangs up on Monday...bring additional precipitation chances. Too much uncertainty 
here to try and pinpoint higher probability of precipitation...so essentially followed a 
consensus solution which brings chance probability of precipitation to all of NE WI. While 
the extended models agree that the upper ridge will eventually rebuild 
over The Rockies by the end of the period...how we get there is a 
matter of conjecture. The European model (ecmwf) subtlely flattens the mean flow 
with the GFS showing a substantial shortwave trough to move through WI 
around Tuesday night. NE WI to remain in the warm sector through Tuesday...so 
cannot rule out at least a chance of shwrs/tstms. By Wednesday...the cold front 
pushes through the region with a continued chance for more precipitation. 
&& 


Aviation...for 18z taf issuance 
issued at 1140 am CDT Wednesday Jun 19 2013 


High pressure over the western lakes will continue to shift east 
allowing southerly winds to bring in warmer and more humid air 
into the region. VFR conditions will continue for today and 
tonight. A disturbance will approach the area out of the 
northern plains on Thursday....bringing with it increasing VFR 
clouds through the day from northwest to southeast. Scattered 
showers possible in the northern taf sites late in the morning. 
&& 


Marine... 
issued at 234 PM CDT Wednesday Jun 19 2013 


A warm and humid air mass will overspread the cooler waters of 
the Bay of Green Bay and Lake Michigan Thursday night or 
Friday...leading to the formation of locally dense marine fog. 
This locally dense marine fog will continue at times into early 
next week as the warm and humid air mass remains firmly entrenched 
across the region. Several complexes of thunderstorms are expected 
from time to time Friday into early next week. These storms will 
pose a significant risk for mariners with strong winds...locally 
higher waves...large hail and torrential rains which will reduce 
visibilities below one mile. 
&& 


Hydrology... 
issued at 234 PM CDT Wednesday Jun 19 2013 


Several complexes of thunderstorms are expected from Friday into 
early next week. A very warm and humid air mass will become 
entrenched across the region late this week and persist into early 
next week. Precipitable water values should run 150 to 200 
percent of normal...leading the likelihood on torrential rains and 
potential for urban flooding due to the intense rainfall rates. 
Any training or slow moving thunderstorms will increase the risk 
of flooding. 
&& 


Grb watches/warnings/advisories... 
none. 
&& 


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Short term.....Wolf 
long term......kallas 
aviation.......Wolf 
marine.........Kallas 
hydrology......kallas